which wheels do you guys think i should go with 24" or 26"

i would have to go with 305/35/24 or 305/30/26

im not sure how the ride witll be
thanx

I dont think you can properly fit 26's without any issues. I know 24's can be done correctly.

ifound these pictures on that japaneesn website

http://www.carhoo.co.jp/gm_c3/gimmic/e3/b11.jpg

its an armada on 26"

http://www.carhoo.co.jp/gm_c3/gimmic/e3/b10.jpg

That Armada looks clean and super super duper shine on it.

I think anything over 20 is cheesy. I only got 20s because they didn't make tires the right size in 18s. With anything bigger than 22, you will be denting on potholes, riding like crap, and getting bad mileage. Forget towing, curbs, off road, snow, etc. You know, stuff these TRUCKS were made for. Besides, they look like crap and will go the way spinners are going, out in about a year or so. :rolleyes: :thumbdown

I agree with tripleblack.........I think the 26" are TOO MUCH! BUT.....that's just my opinion. I think 20" are sweet and 22" would be my limit.

LOL! LOL! LOL! :teeth:

How is the ride ... for those w/22s or larger?

I met a guy at the Blackhawk Show (go to the zonc.org website if interested) and he had a tricked out Armada (provided by Nissan) w/22s .. he said the ride is LOUSY .. not recommended at all.

He only drives it because .. its provided by Nissan (no cost to him at all) ...

I have 22"s and the ride is fine, I dont know what he is talking about. Maybe his tires arent good. Mine rides like stock......

I have 295/40/24 Pirelli's and they fit great with the 24" Foose wheels. I have no rubbing or problems. The ride is fine, the handling is better than stock. I have never had a bent rim or problems with big rims or low profile tires.

Just my opinion.

I have 295/40/24 Pirelli's and they fit great with the 24" Foose wheels. I have no rubbing or problems. The ride is fine, the handling is better than stock. I have never had a bent rim or problems with big rims or low profile tires.

Just my opinion.


26's? can you take some pictures and post. I've been to many wheel shops and they all said 26" does not fit without fender mods and a spacer. With the spacer, the wheel sticks out a bit a looks funky.

24's sometimes require some plastic rework.

I was told the same about 26's. I did have to use a 1/8th inch spacer in the front so the rim doesnt hit the caliper. It comes real close to inner fender on full lock turn. I took my rims off of my Tahoe when I traded it in and now put them on my new (to me) 04 Armada.

Kevin


P.S. I will post up some pics tomorrow.

Sorry ockevin, I thought you said you had 26's That's why I was wondering how you got them on. But now I realiz you have 24's.
But still would love to see pictures though.

I bought a brand new set of QX56 wheels and tires from Infiniti dealer for $500 cash. I told myself that until I can afford some 24's, I'm not going half way.

For me it's kids college fund, or 24's
Kids won out on this one.

I am planning on getting 22's for my Armada. The crappy ride is probably from the "very low profile" tires the show cars like to put on. These IMO are not practical. I think 22's will still look good and ride nice.

TRIPLEBLACK - I saw your ride at the Mall of Millenia the other day. Did you get my card?

I am planning on getting 22's for my Armada. The crappy ride is probably from the "very low profile" tires the show cars like to put on. These IMO are not practical. I think 22's will still look good and ride nice.

TRIPLEBLACK - I saw your ride at the Mall of Millenia the other day. Did you get my card?
Got your card. If you got a good look at mine, they are 20s. Figured they were what made you think it was my rig. Sent you a PM. 22s will give a good ride, but limit choices of tires to street only versions instead of All terrains, etc. Over 22s ride gets harsh, handling and mileage goes down, cost goes up, and towing drops. Personally, I think larger than 22s look silly.

Hard to mistake your ride. I decided with the 22's because, I've only got the 4x2. The vehicle is more of the people hauler and towing (in the future) vehicle. Don't really need the all-terrain, all though they do look nice.

I use mine in boat launches. Can't tell you how many 4x2s I see there that can't pull well because their tires are spinning. Usually you get the wife in front flooring it and the husband jumping on the hitch with big clouds of smoke coming out from the tire wells. Looks like someone doing a burnout before a drag race. Hillarious. I also want to go on beaches, for snow ski trips, off road to paintball fields, etc. so 4x4 and AT are a must for me. We'll have to compare notes some time FLC. :thumbup:

Here is a pic of my Armada on 24's.

Sorry ockevin, I thought you said you had 26's That's why I was wondering how you got them on. But now I realiz you have 24's.
But still would love to see pictures though.

I bought a brand new set of QX56 wheels and tires from Infiniti dealer for $500 cash. I told myself that until I can afford some 24's, I'm not going half way.

For me it's kids college fund, or 24's
Kids won out on this one.

Hey Andy,

Were you able to remove the Infinity logo from those rims? If so, how did you do it?

Thanks

Hey Andy,

Were you able to remove the Infinity logo from those rims? If so, how did you do it?

Thanks

Nope, I think they are molded on. There's only one logo on the center cap. I'd love to convert them to Nissan but at least Infiniti is the same thing, mostly.

Look at this. 26" TIS rims. Drive carefully.

Nice, but you better have alot of $

Tired of posting about wheels that are larger than 22". Here's a good thread that shows how most people feel. ;)
http://www.titantalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27353

RE: The link that got everyone talking in this thread..
While I personally don't like the tires that big, I really did like the chrome side step - did I see that right, was it really chrome? it really looked great!!
RA

If you are gonna go up to 24 inch wheels or 26's, why not just take the fenders off and get some 28's? That's farm tractor rear wheel size. Only two to four inches more.

I hear they have some nice yellow ones at the John Deere dealer, or like my 28 inchers on my Kubota diesel 5 cylinder tractor. And I guess you can get them chromed if you want. You can put some nice deep V tread farm tread tires on it just like I have on the Kubota. Be the first on your block!

I've attached a nice photo of what 28 inchers look like. Cool!

Just kidding, but guys, really, can't you get too extreme with that big wheel, no side wall rubber band tire thing? Just one opinion. Flame away.

i dont know why people are hating on 24s or 26s , i mean if your gonna put wheels might as well throw on 24s , 20" is just too small, might as well stay with the stock 18" why spend the money for extra 2 inches eh?
people have diffrent styles so dont hate if we like 24 inch wheels, just beacuse we can afford them and all you can afford is 20s :D

btw nice truck ockeven, ii was gonna get the 26" speedster 6 but i wanted to lower my truck about 3 inches so might just get the 24" speedster 6
im not sure yet.

Armagdn,

I'm about to send you a pm about your JL audio stuff since it doesnt really apply to this thread.......

Well I might as well put my 2 cents in too . 24" & 26" look good on a big SUV like the Mada. They fill up the fender well quite nicely.Hell if you can afford them and don't mind lossing the ride quality then go for it ! But in my case they would not be practical as my Mada is the family ride . They wouldn't last a week before my wife curbed or bent the hell out of em . And the quality of ride loss is a big downfall in my case. And in a daily driver they might get old real fast you know ? In my case I'm going with 22"s and maybe dropping it just 2" to close the fender well gap and get the same look . And finally we all have differant tastes in wheels, cars ,women and so one! So to each his own ! Right ? Peace gang !

I have Eagle 6-spokes with 305/45/22's and the ride is fine, except for potholes at freeway speed - but I feel those in my Benz too, with is on 225/50/16's.
Bigger rims and shorter sidewalls = more harshness.
My opinion is that if you want that look, you need to go with 22's - it's a big vehicle and anything smaller is not in proportion.
Your mileage won't suffer one bit as long as your overall circumference stays close to stock.

Good luck

I have Eagle 6-spokes with 305/45/22's and the ride is fine, except for potholes at freeway speed - but I feel those in my Benz too, with is on 225/50/16's.
Bigger rims and shorter sidewalls = more harshness.
My opinion is that if you want that look, you need to go with 22's - it's a big vehicle and anything smaller is not in proportion.
Your mileage won't suffer one bit as long as your overall circumference stays close to stock.

Good luck
Not quite. Rim tire combos with the same circumference and larger wheels/lower profile tires weigh more because rubber is lighter than metal. More rolling weight=harder to get moving=lower acceleration and needs more power to rotate. This lowers your gas mileage. On an SUV like ours it isn't as pronounced as it is on a 4 banger car but it still adds up. ;)

ifound these pictures on that japaneesn website

http://www.carhoo.co.jp/gm_c3/gimmic/e3/b11.jpg

its an armada on 26"

http://www.carhoo.co.jp/gm_c3/gimmic/e3/b10.jpg

i have those same rims but 22". i've heard anything over 22" makes for a rough riding suv...

I have 24" KMC's right now. I wanna go 26's has anyone on this forum ever tried or have 26's on their Armada. Mine is lowered as well so I dont know if that will play a factor :nana:

gray armada do you have any pictures? did you also buy the intrax lowering springs, how does it ride?

You address alot of us like you think we are stupid. You are stereotyping people without knowing the facts.

Have you weighed your stock wheels ? or your 20's?

The stock 18" wheel and tire combo with air weighed in at 71 lbs. The 17 " offroad package weighed in at 68 lbs. for each wheel.

My 24" rims and tires fully inflated weigh in at 56 lbs. Wow, all that extra weight for plus size rims really makes your arguement strong. ( Not really, actually the complete opposite) You have assumed the bigger rim and tire weigh more and in my case they do not ! My unspring weight is quite a bit less than stock tire and wheel combo. Actually 60 lbs less.

The rollout on my tires is exactly the same as stock , therefore it does not affect the speedo or braking distance.

As far as towing , same overall diameter, nothing is affected, quit spreading rumors.

Potholes do nothing to me, I dont drive like an a$$, so I never have problems.

The increased sidewall stiffness does improve handling and cornering. I do not have tire roll over now as I did with the stock set.

The small sidewall does transfer road imperfections more than the stock set. The ride on the Armada is alot better than my previous GMC Yukon Denali, because of the rear independant suspension. So there is a small trade off with the smaller sidewall but I gained ride quality by purcahsing the Armada.

Maybe you should slam people with stock wheels about weight and handling.

It is not the total weight that you have to worry about, it's the rotational mass. Larger wheels move more mass away from the center of rotation, so the rotational mass increases. If your larger wheel/tire combo is a lot lighter than the original wheel/tire this increase in rotational mass is reduced. Increased rotational mass does affect braking and acceleration. (not in a good way)

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Everyone has a different idea of what good looks are. Thats good, the world would be very boreing if everyone liked the same thing.
I don't think TB is trying to call anyone stupid. He has his opinion like everyone else. He is correct in stating that lowering and adding very large tires and very low profile tires is not good for towing. But if you aren't going to tow then it is not important. Large wheels with very low profile tires will ride harsher and are very easily damaged by pot holes, curbs.
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Triple,

You address alot of us like you think we are stupid. You are stereotyping people without knowing the facts.

Have you weighed your stock wheels ? or your 20's?

The stock 18" wheel and tire combo with air weighed in at 71 lbs. The 17 " offroad package weighed in at 68 lbs. for each wheel.

My 24" rims and tires fully inflated weigh in at 56 lbs. Wow, all that extra weight for plus size rims really makes your arguement strong. ( Not really, actually the complete opposite) You have assumed the bigger rim and tire weigh more and in my case they do not ! My unspring weight is quite a bit less than stock tire and wheel combo. Actually 60 lbs less.

The rollout on my tires is exactly the same as stock , therefore it does not affect the speedo or braking distance.

As far as towing , same overall diameter, nothing is affected, quit spreading rumors.

Potholes do nothing to me, I dont drive like an a$$, so I never have problems.

The increased sidewall stiffness does improve handling and cornering. I do not have tire roll over now as I did with the stock set.

The small sidewall does transfer road imperfections more than the stock set. The ride on the Armada is alot better than my previous GMC Yukon Denali, because of the rear independant suspension. So there is a small trade off with the smaller sidewall but I gained ride quality by purcahsing the Armada.

Triple you should slam people with stock wheels about weight and handling.
Most oversized rim/low profile tire combos weigh more. If they don't, its generally because they aren't strong. If you have lightweight 24" rims, they will be much more prone to bending, and more susceptable due to the relatively small amount of cushion between rim and road. My 20" rims add a good 20 lbs a piece. I wanted that because all of that is going into the increased strength of the rim so it can take a beating when driving off road or on dirt roads.

BTW, your tires weigh 41 lbs each. I doubt a 24" rim weighs 15lbs so I call BS. :fullofit:

Never worried or mentioned speedo problems. Braking problems are associated with increased weight.

Towing is affected. Low profile tires don't have the weight rating of standard SUV tires and can't handle the load associated with high weight towing. My tires can handle 1400 lbs more weight each than 24" Pirellis. That works out to 40% more weight or load bearing ability. ;)

Potholes? Guess you would never consider going on a dirt road, etc. Low profile tires make your off-road Sport Utility Vehicle have as much off-road utility as a corvette. :rolleyes:

The stock tires have poor sidewalls. Even a brand/model set of tires in the same size would dramatically improve handling. Lower profile will help also, but you loose a lot of other things. And quite frankly, who ever bought an Armada for handling to begin with?

Sorry, but I just don't like it when people try to turn my favorite off road vehicle into a trailer queen.

My lowprofiles go out to the desert each month to ride my dirtbike. I have a hitch mounted carrier and carry my Honda Crf250 on the back. I go 12 miles down a dirt road to ride in Jaw Bone Canyon, CA. I have no problems with bending, but I am not driving very fast (20 mph).

My tire combo weighs what it weighs. I had them shipped to me and that was the listed weight on each UPS packing slip. The tire alone does not weigh 41 lbs. LOL.

Dirt Bike pic attached.

My lowprofiles go out to the desert each month to ride my dirtbike. I have a hitch mounted carrier and carry my Honda Crf250 on the back. I go 12 miles down a dirt road to ride in Jaw Bone Canyon, CA. I have no problems with bending, but I am not driving very fast (20 mph).

My tire combo weighs what it weighs. I had them shipped to me and that was the listed weight on each UPS packing slip. The tire alone does not weigh 41 lbs. LOL.

Dirt Bike pic attached.

Nice bike. Can you give us the exact rim and tire model numbers, and the tire size? I'd like to check out those weight numbers.

And all I can say about low profile tires and rims is that in normal driving on public streets I have bent the rims badly and frequently on my Saab, and they were only 16 inch 50 profiles. I had a terrible time with curbs, railroad tracks and potholes. I finally found a company that could straighten them rather than having to replace them, be even then it has been a big pain to have to limp around on the spare while the wheel got shipped off for straightening. I have bent rims on that car right now and feel uncomfortable taking it up to the higher speeds it is capable of because of that. I guess it's time to pull the two bent ones and send them off once again. Exasperating.

I hate to think how bad it would have been with 45 or 40 profiles.

Can you get us the wheel model. I know you said they were 24's and can you get us the exact tire model and size, so we can look into those weight numbers?

EDIT: I found your tire size from one of your earlier posts - 295/40/24's. Which Pirelli are they. Are the 24 inch Foose rims the Spank 6 model?

Most oversized rim/low profile tire combos weigh more. If they don't, its generally because they aren't strong. If you have lightweight 24" rims, they will be much more prone to bending, and more susceptable due to the relatively small amount of cushion between rim and road. My 20" rims add a good 20 lbs a piece. I wanted that because all of that is going into the increased strength of the rim so it can take a beating when driving off road or on dirt roads.

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WRONG.
A lighter Rim does not mean that it will be a weaker rim. I worked at Dinan Engineering(BMW Tuner) for a few years where we used 19" forged aluminum rims for the M3 that were much stonger(tested) than stock and only weighed 17lbs. I have seen many of your posts regarding rims/sizes and it is obvious that you do not prefer larger than 20" rims on this truck. Your rims added weight not because they are stronger but because it is the same alloy as stock with 2 more inches in diameter also your tires are made for offroad with thicker side walls for protection and not too much lower profile if any.
my $0.02
409

Hi, 409. Welcome to the forum. Can you tell us about your own ride(s) and wheel/tire preferences?

BTW, those Saab factory rims are made by Ronal, a pretty reputable company, which also supplies BMW and a lot of other European manufacturers. Why are they bending so easily with low profile tires?

Thank you for the welcome.

I have an 05' Smoke SE no NAV but all other available options.(BOSE, Heated seats, tow pkg, etc..)

The cool thing about this truck is that it looks good any way you want to go. I will not be going off road , I don't even need the tow package but it was on the truck when I bought it. I never even really drive it, Bought it in April and have 3k miles on it now. I will probably go with a lightweight 22" wheel. I know some folks at Champion Motorsports so I might have something made up there.

I am all about performance. I drove a DINAN supercharged X5 4.6is with the stock 20" rims. That was a fffassstt truck. 451hp/430 lb/ft torque but very expensive. I have not yet decided how I am going to modify this truck, but it will be done.

409




409

My lowprofiles go out to the desert each month to ride my dirtbike. I have a hitch mounted carrier and carry my Honda Crf250 on the back. I go 12 miles down a dirt road to ride in Jaw Bone Canyon, CA. I have no problems with bending, but I am not driving very fast (20 mph).

My tire combo weighs what it weighs. I had them shipped to me and that was the listed weight on each UPS packing slip. The tire alone does not weigh 41 lbs. LOL.

Dirt Bike pic attached.
Well, I was going off the Pirelli Asimmetrico specs. The 305-35-24 and 315-35-24 weigh 41 lbs. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?make=Pirelli&model=Scorpion+Zero+Asimmetrico

As for going into the desert, good luck. I'd go really slow and stick to well groomed trails. Sounds like its working for you though. ;)

WRONG.
A lighter Rim does not mean that it will be a weaker rim. I worked at Dinan Engineering(BMW Tuner) for a few years where we used 19" forged aluminum rims for the M3 that were much stonger(tested) than stock and only weighed 17lbs. I have seen many of your posts regarding rims/sizes and it is obvious that you do not prefer larger than 20" rims on this truck. Your rims added weight not because they are stronger but because it is the same alloy as stock with 2 more inches in diameter also your tires are made for offroad with thicker side walls for protection and not too much lower profile if any.
my $0.02
409
True, not necessarily the case, but often. Heavier implies more material. Whether that material is used structurally or cosmetically can vary. Forged are stronger for the same mass, but weigh more if made using the same design as the material is more dense. Most aftermarket wheels are cast. Only very expensive ones are forged. Often, makers will add structural material to compensate for the lower strength of castings and more delicate designs will be forged. I don't know the weight to strength ratio of forged vs. cast, but I suspect that forged will yield a stronger wheel for less weight, but usually cost 3 times as much.

Anyway, the result is that most people buying large rims are getting cast rims. These are the ones that you really need to be careful with. Forged will give you more strenght, but that more often than not will still not compensate for the lack of rubber between the road and wheel. EX. I bent a forged rim with 35 profile tires on the street on my vette. Far less punishment than a rim would have off road on a 5400 lbs SUV.

Sorry, didn't know I had to get into such detail and Welcome Aboard 409, one of my Favorite motors!;)

My rims , Foose Spank 24 x 9" rims are forged. I got them as a prototype 3 years ago. The tires I run are Pirelli Scorpions 295/40/24. I used them on my Yukon and I have never bent a rim. I live in pothole Los Angeles and Orange County. Actually, I have had custom rims with low profile tires for over 10 years and never bent a rim.

I do tread lightly on the dirtbike trails and they are mostly groomed.

The tire alone does not weigh 41 lbs. LOL.

Tire Rack has published data on actual tire carcass weight. While I can't find your exact Scorpion tire size there, the 305/35/24 is listed and it does weigh 41 lbs.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?make=Pirelli&model=Scorpion+Zero+Asimmetrico&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&partnum=035WR4SCOR0AXL

I think TB is right. I'm trying to get the weight of the wheels from Chip Foose and have e-mailed them for that. I just don't think those 24's are only going to weigh 17 lbs. but would stand to be corrected if they do. I still believe the combo is going to be a good bit heavier than my 285/70/17 stock combo.

And those Fooses seem to be cast and not forged, despite the hefty (pardon the pun) price. Cast rims with 40 profile rubber would be subject to bending pretty easily if you are not REAL CAREFUL. You've been much luckier than the rest of us with the cars we have owned with low profile tires.

Armada,

I dont know where you are getting the 41 lbs for a tire. Go down to your local tire shop and pick one up. They are around 20lbs. I had my rims , tired, mounted and balanced from Andy at MHT, they make the Foose rims and they were around 60 lbs fully wrapped up and shipped to me.

Armada,

I dont know where you are getting the 41 lbs for a tire. Go down to your local tire shop and pick one up. They are around 20lbs. I had my rims , tired, mounted and balanced from Andy at MHT, they make the Foose rims and they were around 60 lbs fully wrapped up and shipped to me.
From the website, the Tirerack, connected to the link I posted when I quoted 41 lbs. Same weight as the stock Continentals on 18" rims.
Here's the link again. He said he had 24" Pirellis. Look at the column marked tire weight. ;)
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?make=Pirelli&model=Scorpion+Zero+Asimmetrico
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?make=Continental&model=ContiTrac&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&partnum=67SR8TRACV2

Weight for the stock 18" 5 spoke rim is 35 lbs. Not sure what the 6 spoke or offroad ones are. This makes the stock SE wheel/tire setup 76 pounds minimum. 24" rims have to weigh more, especially if they are forged. ;)

20 lbs for a 24" tire, no way....., maybe on the moon, they have to be a lot heavier than that.

There is a slight difference in ride with 22's over stock. 24's or 26's no thank you, exponential $$$ and machine belt tires that blow up and the sight of the first pot hole. I'll pass....

R

PS you could always buy an H2 and put 28's on it.... :machinegu

Armada,

I dont know where you are getting the 41 lbs for a tire. Go down to your local tire shop and pick one up. They are around 20lbs. I had my rims , tired, mounted and balanced from Andy at MHT, they make the Foose rims and they were around 60 lbs fully wrapped up and shipped to me.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but this all got started because it was suggested that those 24's with 40 series rubber weighed less than the stock wheel/tire combo. I trust Tire Rack for the actual carcass weight of the tires at 41 lbs. If you check their site you will see how weight goes up as diameter increases and as tire width increases.

You can find some 15 inch passenger car tires that weigh as little as 16 pounds:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?make=Goodyear&model=Eagle+LS

I've been buying tires from Tire Rack for a number of years. I've not bought any mounted on rims, however. The tires I buy come wrapped with tape around the tread and sidewalls, but leave a big rim size hole in the middle. I'd bet that tape weighs maybe two ounces at best.

I hope Chip Foose can resolve the forged vs. cast issue and give us the actual wheel weight. Forged will help some with bending, but it's still a soft alloy. But I think forged wheels will be heavier because they should be denser. Maybe not.

I just respectfully think that hard data can resolve the debate and that we can do that in a friendly fashion.

Enjoy your wheels and tires because you like them, but I remain skeptical about their weight and their resistance to getting easily bent.

Extremes in change from stock sizes either up or down will eventually produce some serious compromises in performance and safety, and use must be respectful of those compromises.

Example in the other direction: I have 36 inch Interco Super Swamper TSL bias ply off-road mud grips on little 15x8 inch rims on my lifted short wheelbase '77 CJ-5 Jeep. Those tires on strong steel rims ARE HEAVY. As modded it is now a pure off-road vehicle. It can be driven on the street, but not very well and with great caution. That is an extreme in the other direction.

It's not gonna ever bend a rim, but stopping distances are longer and those very aggressive tread patterns make an almost deafening roar at any speed over 30 miles per hour. But they are fully inflated and easily support the little Jeep with only 10 psi and the ride is like being on a cloud. With that much sidewall flex, and the low pressure, and very soft suspension with a lot of spring articulation and articulating rear shackes (jointed in the middle) I can ease over a lot of things and hardly even know they are there. I can air down to two pounds and get incredibly flexible tread and air back up when needed (onboard air). Popping a bead becomes a concern at pressure that low, but I have escaped that so far. In the mud and bad off-road stuff this thing is amazing.

But . . . highway handling really sucks, almost to the point of being dangerous above 60 miles per hour, as you can imagine, but that's part of what the Armada's for -- to tow it to the places it likes to play.

I just think going up to 24's and low profile tires creates some of those extreme problems of the opposite sort, and that should not be denied.

Merely an opinion.

You have a good pint there.

Good Luck .

Thanks for the info.

I've closed this thread as there is nothing productive being added anymore. If you all want to carry on your pi$$'n contest exchange emails or do it through PM's. Opinions are okay but personal attacks can go elsewhere.

I've closed this thread as there is nothing productive being added anymore. If you all want to carry on your pi$$'n contest exchange emails or do it through PM's. Opinions are okay but personal attacks can go elsewhere.

I have also removed some posts because they were off topic. I agree fully with llajumpvid's comments.
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