Hay gang anyone try to replace the stock tailight bulbs with some LED ones?

Hey I did some research and they said that the Nfiniti leds wont fit ours but I think that we can keep our oem fixture and replace with LED bulbs JCwhitney has a variety of colors give em a try. I am going to do a lil more research maybe someone does make the fixture

Hey I did some research and they said that the Nfiniti leds wont fit ours but I think that we can keep our oem fixture and replace with LED bulbs JCwhitney has a variety of colors give em a try. I am going to do a lil more research maybe someone does make the fixtureThat what I meant. Just replacing the stock bulbs with LED ones.

I've done a conversion to LED bulbs for my Z31 .. using bulbs mfg'd by Pilot .. they're not bad ..

I plan to change out to these bulbs ..

http://www.ledtronics.com

After you look at the site .. you'll know why I haven't done it yet .. these bulbs are NOT CHEAP ..

I'm thinking of doing the same for the Armada .. but I haven't looked at how to change the bulbs out "yet" ...

Here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/LED-3157-3057-RED-18-led-bulb-Tail-Turn-Stop-motorcycle_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33713QQitemZ 7990162743

Make sure the bulbs you buy don't just shine to the rear. They need to visible from the sides and preferably bounce light og the reflector.

What's the benefit of LEDs for tailights? :confused:

I think they come on a few milliseconds quicker, wont burn out that fast, brighter, and comsume less power.

I think they come on a few milliseconds quicker, wont burn out that fast, brighter, and comsume less power.
Come on unmeasurably faster. Who cares.
Regular bulbs take about 60-75K to burn out so after purchasing a replacement(instead of purchasing LEDs), they last 120-150K with a second set. Who cares.
They consume insignifigantly less free power. Unless you are running your alternator to the brink with extra equipment, lights, stereo, etc, this won't matter. Moreso, if you are that close on an alternator that it would matter, you probably want to upgrade anyway.

Brighter is the only one that matters. Wonder how much? :confused:

Oh, and the last one, looks. QX has them so it is "better". :smart: ;)

LED's are way brighter...anyone know the part numbers for the Armada? I'd love to swap mine out.

Why does it matter if it benefits the Armada or not by putting in LED bulbs.As long as you don't take away from the performance of the original bulb,who cares.Everyone has their own taste.They paid the 40k plus for THEIR vehicle so they can do what they want.

LED's are way brighter...anyone know the part numbers for the Armada? I'd love to swap mine out.
Makes sense then. ;)

Part numbers ad pictures if you have them please.

Why does it matter if it benefits the Armada or not by putting in LED bulbs.As long as you don't take away from the performance of the original bulb,who cares.Everyone has their own taste.They paid the 40k plus for THEIR vehicle so they can do what they want.
Why does it matter to you if someone thinks it matters or not?
1. Who cares if they paid $1 or $1mm? Does paying a certain amount of money for something grant someone special status?
2. No one said they couldn't do what they want with their own vehicles in this or any post.
3. I thought there was freedom to comment about things. Guess you don't want that.
4. I didn't say it was good or bad, only wanted to know why.
5. The commentary wasn't directed too or at you.
6. I think this comment is way overeacting. This belongs to the rebuttle categry of insulting someone's mother, not questioning why use LED for taillights.
7. I may get some if they make a real difference. I've been hit in the rear twice in other vehicles.
8 I never said it was in poor taste though if I did, what would it matter?
9. My only experience with LEDs is with kids who put them in to be cool and an LED flashlight that sucks next to a regular bulb. I wanted to know if my experence with them was accurate and reflective of replacement LED bulbs.
10. I would advise not to do it if it lowered output of light in the rear as per experince in accidents, hense my question for his and others safety.
11. I really don't like people jumping in and attacking because someone asks a question or has a comment.

Any other bright comments? :fullofit: :rolleyes:

Why does it matter to you if someone thinks it matters or not?
1. Who cares if they paid $1 or $1mm? Does paying a certain amount of money for something grant someone special status?
2. No one said they couldn't do what they want with their own vehicles in this or any post.
3. I thought there was freedom to comment about things. Guess you don't want that.
4. I didn't say it was good or bad, only wanted to know why.
5. The commentary wasn't directed too or at you.
6. I think this comment is way overeacting. This belongs to the rebuttle categry of insulting someone's mother, not questioning why use LED for taillights.
7. I may get some if they make a real difference. I've been hit in the rear twice in other vehicles.
8 I never said it was in poor taste though if I did, what would it matter?
9. My only experience with LEDs is with kids who put them in to be cool and an LED flashlight that sucks next to a regular bulb. I wanted to know if my experence with them was accurate and reflective of replacement LED bulbs.
10. I would advise not to do it if it lowered output of light in the rear as per experince in accidents, hense my question for his and others safety.
11. I really don't like people jumping in and attacking because someone asks a question or has a comment.

Any other bright comments? :fullofit: :rolleyes:


All's I have to say is: :damn:!

you nuked the guys question if it lowered the lumens of the light that much the safety commision wouldnt have approved them. All the guy wanted was to know whrere he could GET the bulbs.Why does it matter to you if someone thinks it matters or not?
1. Who cares if they paid $1 or $1mm? Does paying a certain amount of money for something grant someone special status?
2. No one said they couldn't do what they want with their own vehicles in this or any post.
3. I thought there was freedom to comment about things. Guess you don't want that.
4. I didn't say it was good or bad, only wanted to know why.
5. The commentary wasn't directed too or at you.
6. I think this comment is way overeacting. This belongs to the rebuttle categry of insulting someone's mother, not questioning why use LED for taillights.
7. I may get some if they make a real difference. I've been hit in the rear twice in other vehicles.
8 I never said it was in poor taste though if I did, what would it matter?
9. My only experience with LEDs is with kids who put them in to be cool and an LED flashlight that sucks next to a regular bulb. I wanted to know if my experence with them was accurate and reflective of replacement LED bulbs.
10. I would advise not to do it if it lowered output of light in the rear as per experince in accidents, hense my question for his and others safety.
11. I really don't like people jumping in and attacking because someone asks a question or has a comment.

Any other bright comments? :fullofit: :rolleyes:

you nuked the guys question if it lowered the lumens of the light that much the safety commision wouldnt have approved them. All the guy wanted was to know whrere he could GET the bulbs.
Nah. The guy I nuked wasn't the guy with the question. I nuked someone who jumped in on a follow up question I had that I thought was reasonable, "why use LEDs?". Admittedly my analysis was a little "cute", but nothing out of line. But I felt the response from the guy who jumped me was a little over the top for what I had posted. Besides, I like red meat. :D

Well the reason I asked is they are supposed to alot brighter then a regular bulb . And brighter can't be a bad thing if you ask me .

Nah. The guy I nuked wasn't the guy with the question. I nuked someone who jumped in on a follow up question I had that I thought was reasonable, "why use LEDs?". Admittedly my analysis was a little "cute", but nothing out of line. But I felt the response from the guy who jumped me was a little over the top for what I had posted. Besides, I like red meat. :D
It's plain and simple, if you can help with the problem than please do.No need to get "cute".

I am selling tickets to the **** fight...any takers.

Sometimes it's best to go ahead and type up whatever you want, and then click the "X" and close the program. Notice I didn't say anything about hitting "submit".

:)

Well the reason I asked is they are supposed to alot brighter then a regular bulb . And brighter can't be a bad thing if you ask me .
I'm with you. If you get some, let me know how they turn out. The QX ones are out there but they don't fit because they don't have backup lights integrated. I've half thought about putting them in and mounting new backup lights recessed in the bumper. But I can't bring myself to start chopping up the bumper. ;)

I'm with you. If you get some, let me know how they turn out. The QX ones are out there but they don't fit because they don't have backup lights integrated. I've half thought about putting them in and mounting new backup lights recessed in the bumper. But I can't bring myself to start chopping up the bumper. ;)I thought the same thing bro ! Just haven't thought of a good place for the backups .

youre right I like the honest kritisism

LED bulbs arent as bright as OEM LED lights.....car manufacturers dont use the "bulb" type....thay have a whole assembly designed around higher quality, brighter LEDs...when you replace a bulb with an LED bulb (maybe 15 leds on it) it isnt as bright as stock because you dont have the LEDs arranged in a manner that would benefit the tail light assembly....it is designed with reflectors for bulbs....not 12-15 LEDs...if you want to buy them though, just go here:


http://motors.search.ebay.com/LED-bulb_W0QQfromZR8QQsaspiZ2QQsamcmZ6000

LED bulbs arent as bright as OEM LED lights.....car manufacturers dont use the "bulb" type....thay have a whole assembly designed around higher quality, brighter LEDs...when you replace a bulb with an LED bulb (maybe 15 leds on it) it isnt as bright as stock because you dont have the LEDs arranged in a manner that would benefit the tail light assembly....it is designed with reflectors for bulbs....not 12-15 LEDs...if you want to buy them though, just go here:


http://motors.search.ebay.com/LED-bulb_W0QQfromZR8QQsaspiZ2QQsamcmZ6000

I agree .. thats why I posted the link to ledtronics ..
I haven't looked at our Armada bulbs so I'm not sure of the type of bulbs needed .. but check these out .. LEDs to the side to take adv of the reflective nature of the tail light design ..

http://www.ledtronics.com/ds/aut3157/

http://www.ledtronics.com/ds/aut1157/

Note .. the only thing I've found and its addressed at the ledtronics site, is because of the fact that the leds draw less current .. some sensors will indicate you have a tail light "out". This occurs w/my Z tail lights .. its a bit annoying to have the tail light "idiot light" go on .. but I ignore it .. LOL.

Come on unmeasurably faster. Who cares.
Regular bulbs take about 60-75K to burn out so after purchasing a replacement(instead of purchasing LEDs), they last 120-150K with a second set. Who cares.
They consume insignifigantly less free power. Unless you are running your alternator to the brink with extra equipment, lights, stereo, etc, this won't matter. Moreso, if you are that close on an alternator that it would matter, you probably want to upgrade anyway.

Brighter is the only one that matters. Wonder how much? :confused:

Oh, and the last one, looks. QX has them so it is "better". :smart: ;)


You asked and I answered ;)

Well, I was considering creating my own LED tailights starting with the original Armada red/white lens. If I could come up with a functional, good-looking design, would anyone be interested. I'm an engineer and was thinking about doing some custom mods and thought the Red signal LED with White LED backups would be cool. Just haven't convinced myself it would be worth it yet and to put the time in to do it. If I just have to have them, or I have enough interest, I would consider designing some.

Well, I was considering creating my own LED tailights starting with the original Armada red/white lens. If I could come up with a functional, good-looking design, would anyone be interested. I'm an engineer and was thinking about doing some custom mods and thought the Red signal LED with White LED backups would be cool. Just haven't convinced myself it would be worth it yet and to put the time in to do it. If I just have to have them, or I have enough interest, I would consider designing some.

Hey Crushin, I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking of running down to my local electronics shop and start a similar project. But in doing some research, I think part of the solution is gonna be adding some sort of resistor to keep the burned-bulb-sensor fooled. I dont think the LED's will produce enough resistance for the buned-bulb-sensor and it may go off even if the LEDs are working fine. Let me know what you think. Also, have you done a HID kit yet for the front? Anyhow, I am not even sure my Armada even has a sensor like that cuz I just got it; do you know if it does?

There's really only one choice for this, Lumileds. They were formed by Agilent Technologies and Philips Lighting.
http://lumileds.com/solutions/solution.cfm?id=1

These are bright enough that they are used as headlights, street lights, and thousands of other lighting applications.

I'd encourage you to goto this webpage, read through the app notes and design it. I would bet you can sell these at a nice profit on eBay or even on clubarmada, titantalk, and clubtitan.

Hey Crushin, I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking of running down to my local electronics shop and start a similar project. But in doing some research, I think part of the solution is gonna be adding some sort of resistor to keep the burned-bulb-sensor fooled. I dont think the LED's will produce enough resistance for the buned-bulb-sensor and it may go off even if the LEDs are working fine. Let me know what you think. Also, have you done a HID kit yet for the front? Anyhow, I am not even sure my Armada even has a sensor like that cuz I just got it; do you know if it does?

I've been doing some research too and if it does take a little electronic trickery to get them to look the same to the vehicle it shouldn't be too tough. Don't know if we have any sensors like that anyway on the Mada. I decided to go with the Silverstar Halogens for the front not the HID's. They gave me a nice white (hit of blue not much), just as bright, and cost $80 for low and high beams. Wasn't ready to drop $400 on HID's. But the LED's I would like. I think I'll pursue it some more, sounds like it could be worth the effort.

But in doing some research, I think part of the solution is gonna be adding some sort of resistor to keep the burned-bulb-sensor fooled. I dont think the LED's will produce enough resistance for the buned-bulb-sensor and it may go off even if the LEDs are working fine. Let me know what you think.


you are right..you will probably need a Load Resistor...

http://www.ledtronics.com/ds/aut3157/

Load Resistor Statement:
If installing LED bulbs in your car or motorcycle causes your blinkers to blink fast or causes other electrical problems you may need to install a Load resistor to correct these problems. Since LED bulbs draw much less current then standard incandescent bulbs your electrical computer system may think that your bulbs are not working. The AUT-RES-6-50 should resolve these problems. This is a 6 Ohms 50 Watt resistor that needs to be installed in-line with your tail/blinker lights, one Load resistor (AUT-RES-6-50) is required for each tail/blinker light

you are right..you will probably need a Load Resistor...

http://www.ledtronics.com/ds/aut3157/

Load Resistor Statement:
If installing LED bulbs in your car or motorcycle causes your blinkers to blink fast or causes other electrical problems you may need to install a Load resistor to correct these problems. Since LED bulbs draw much less current then standard incandescent bulbs your electrical computer system may think that your bulbs are not working. The AUT-RES-6-50 should resolve these problems. This is a 6 Ohms 50 Watt resistor that needs to be installed in-line with your tail/blinker lights, one Load resistor (AUT-RES-6-50) is required for each tail/blinker light

"installed in line"? I don't understand this. If you install the resistor in line, or series, it will increase the total resistance, which will cause even less load. The resistor should be installed across the lines, or parallel, to lower the total resistance and increase the current.

youre right I like the honest kritisism
OK, you have poor spelling. ;) :D
You're right, I like the honest criticism.

OK, you have poor spelling. ;) :D
You're right, I like the honest criticism.
Classic triple. You got me to laugh today.

don't buy cheap ebay it wont last long and sometimes the fittings are wrong.


Hay gang anyone try to replace the stock tailight bulbs with some LED ones?

LEDtronics .. url posted earlier has "resistor" package they sell for use w/LED bulbs ..

For what its worth .. there is another LED bulb style .. spiderlites ..

http://www.spiderlite.com

LEDtronics .. url posted earlier has "resistor" package they sell for use w/LED bulbs ..

For what its worth .. there is another LED bulb style .. spiderlites ..

http://www.spiderlite.com



WOW! $50 for em......kinda steep, but they are pretty cool lookin

LEDtronics .. url posted earlier has "resistor" package they sell for use w/LED bulbs ..

For what its worth .. there is another LED bulb style .. spiderlites ..

http://www.spiderlite.com


Whatya mean, for what its worth?!?! DAMN, these are a helluva cool solution. BIG THANX for pointing me to their website. :bow:

Hey SCR38, does the armada have a burned bulb sensor, and if so, what does it sense, current (what i guess you referred to as load) or resistance? :clueless:

LEDtronics .. url posted earlier has "resistor" package they sell for use w/LED bulbs ..

For what its worth .. there is another LED bulb style .. spiderlites ..

http://www.spiderlite.comDamn those kick *** ! Pricey as hell though . But man they will look sweet in a Mada !

Whatya mean, for what its worth?!?! DAMN, these are a helluva cool solution. BIG THANX for pointing me to their website. :bow:

Hey SCR38, does the armada have a burned bulb sensor, and if so, what does it sense, current (what i guess you referred to as load) or resistance? :clueless:

As far as I can tell the Armada does not have any burned bulb sensors. And after thinking about it, I don't think any type of load resistor is needed with LED bulbs. The Armada does not have a thermal flasher, where the current to the bulbs heat a bi-metallic strip, which makes and breaks contacts to make the lights flash. With this type flasher, which is very common, more load placed on it caused the lights to flash faster; less load caused slower flashes. Instead, the flasher function is in the BCM (body control module). The flash rate is timed within the module, and the load doesn't affect the flash rate. So there shouldn't be any issues when using the LED bulbs. I guess the only way to know for sure is for someone to try some of the LED bulbs, but I really don't think there will be any problems.

LEDtronics .. url posted earlier has "resistor" package they sell for use w/LED bulbs ..

For what its worth .. there is another LED bulb style .. spiderlites ..

http://www.spiderlite.com

Great find! Thanks

Anyone know what part numbers we need? I'd like to price those spiderlites.

As far as I can tell the Armada does not have any burned bulb sensors. And after thinking about it, I don't think any type of load resistor is needed with LED bulbs. The Armada does not have a thermal flasher, where the current to the bulbs heat a bi-metallic strip, which makes and breaks contacts to make the lights flash. With this type flasher, which is very common, more load placed on it caused the lights to flash faster; less load caused slower flashes. Instead, the flasher function is in the BCM (body control module). The flash rate is timed within the module, and the load doesn't affect the flash rate. So there shouldn't be any issues when using the LED bulbs. I guess the only way to know for sure is for someone to try some of the LED bulbs, but I really don't think there will be any problems.

Wow, thanks for all the details. I have read my Armada OM quite thoroughly and I too cannot find a thing about a burned-bulb sensor. And if the flasher in the Armada is not load dependent (which figures, as they knew they were gonna have LED's in the QX56 and this way one flasher takes care of both) then I figure I am home free, as long as I can swallow the 200 dollars for the spiderlites. I am still on the fence, but I am leaning towards buying the spiderlites. One thing I did find out is that the spider lite emits light in both directions, so the reflector in the armada will still be used, and the side marker should still work. Spiderlite tells me to expect roughly 10,000 hours of reliablity, and if the average vehicle uses 1000 hours of light, spiderlites estimate, then the average user should expect 10 years of life. I just wonder how much money (not really worried how much time) it would cost me to fabricate an LED light by buying parts from my local electronics supplier (mine is Al Lasher Electronics, not Radio-Shack). Plenty of stuff to think about. The main concern I have is that spiderlite tells me that their product is not USDOT approved for street use. Frankly, I dont understand why?

The main concern I have is that spiderlite tells me that their product is not USDOT approved for street use. Frankly, I dont understand why?

Most likely is that spiderlite hasn't yet submitted their lights for USDOT testing. Which (my guess) costs a lot of $$. A good number of USDOT approved mfgs have bulbs (may not necessarily be the ones you want) already on the list ... they have a vested interest to keep the number of suppliers down...

For the 1st 20 years or so .. I used non-USDOT approved headlight bulbs on my 84Z31. Why? Way back in '84 .. the OEM headlight were sealed beams. I switched out to Euro-spec headlamps and bulbs. Its only the last few years that the new style of bulb changing headlights became "norm" for US cars. Now I can get the USDOT approved bulbs .. but the headlight glass is not USDOT approved .. but it emits a cleaner light.

What I'm say'n .. you can change the bulb .. the average person (even Nissan mechanic) won't know the difference ...

btw .. if anyone does change to the spiderlight bulb .. post pics and specs ..

Most likely is that spiderlite hasn't yet submitted their lights for USDOT testing. Which (my guess) costs a lot of $$. A good number of USDOT approved mfgs have bulbs (may not necessarily be the ones you want) already on the list ... they have a vested interest to keep the number of suppliers down...

For the 1st 20 years or so .. I used non-USDOT approved headlight bulbs on my 84Z31. Why? Way back in '84 .. the OEM headlight were sealed beams. I switched out to Euro-spec headlamps and bulbs. Its only the last few years that the new style of bulb changing headlights became "norm" for US cars. Now I can get the USDOT approved bulbs .. but the headlight glass is not USDOT approved .. but it emits a cleaner light.

What I'm say'n .. you can change the bulb .. the average person (even Nissan mechanic) won't know the difference ...

btw .. if anyone does change to the spiderlight bulb .. post pics and specs ..


yeah..what he said....im illegal front and back on my car and johnny law doesnt seem to notice or care.....

and what about the 3rd taillight? if you replace the regular tail lights with led's and have the 3rd with regular bulbs, it would look kind of stupid don't you think? just a thought.

and what about the 3rd taillight? if you replace the regular tail lights with led's and have the 3rd with regular bulbs, it would look kind of stupid don't you think? just a thought.

no...why would it? the third tail light on my car is LED and all the rest are bulbs and it all lights up red......i dont get why it would look stupid...leds look like miniature bulbs and regular bulbs look like bigger versions...plus no one pays attention to that kinda stuff ...... the 3rd brake on the armada isnt led?

I haven't looked .. but what type of bulb is used for the 3rd Brake light? They might have a LED equivalent??

I haven't looked .. but what type of bulb is used for the 3rd Brake light? They might have a LED equivalent??


im not sure..but i thought most outside 3rd brake lights were LEDs so that you wouldnt have to worry about replacing it or trying to open up the light fixture

Per FSM ..

High-Mounted Stop Lamp
Bulb Replacement .. The high-mounted stop lamp bulbs are not serviceable.

REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION

1. Remove back door upper finisher
2. Remove 2 nuts and remove high-mounted stop lamp
3. Installation is in the reverse order of removal

LEDtronics .. url posted earlier has "resistor" package they sell for use w/LED bulbs ..

For what its worth .. there is another LED bulb style .. spiderlites ..

http://www.spiderlite.com

I don't have my truck this week, but does anyone currently know the types of bulbs that are on the rear park lights and brake lights. Is it 1157 and 1156? I just want to see if I should try out Spiderlites for all four lights or just the brake lights.

I should have some cool leds soon that I think are going to be very sweet. Stay tuned.

hi all,

i have bought "25 LED Super Refractor Bulbs 3157/3156" from WWW.VLEDS.COM and will try to replace the ugly filament bulbs that came originaly with my armada soon - will let you all know what happened + will post some pictures if it worked ok.

http://home.comcast.net/~velocityusa/3157_25_W.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~velocityusa/315_25_DIA.jpg

hi all,

i have bought "25 LED Super Refractor Bulbs 3157/3156" from WWW.VLEDS.COM and will try to replace the ugly filament bulbs that came originaly with my armada soon - will let you all know what happened + will post some pictures if it worked ok.

http://home.comcast.net/~velocityusa/3157_25_W.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~velocityusa/315_25_DIA.jpg

Thats great, how much did you pay for it? if you do not mind me asking. :cool:

Thats great, how much did you pay for it? if you do not mind me asking. :cool:

$19.99 for the pair

http://frickinbrite.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=42_48&products_id=109

$19.99 for the pair

http://frickinbrite.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=42_48&products_id=109

thanks, lets see some pictures when ready.

so what happened to the pics? please post..lol :)

Delay in the delivery :mad: , should receive them within 2-3 days ;)

Any luck with these???

what's going on..any picss???

GOOOOOD news!!!!

the led are installed already and working just fine in my armada as i type this... :amazing:

i have re-ordered more of them for my friends, i recommend going for the (32 LED Super Refractor Bulbs 3157/3156) insted of the (25 LED) - will give you a brighter and stronger led reacation :051:

will post some pictures soon.

nicee!! :D Can't wait for pics lol

GOOOOOD news!!!!

the led are installed already and working just fine in my armada as i type this... :amazing:

i have re-ordered more of them for my friends, i recommend going for the (32 LED Super Refractor Bulbs 3157/3156) insted of the (25 LED) - will give you a brighter and stronger led reacation :051:

will post some pictures soon.

Pictures?

So you've done it .. ok, there has been a question regarding removing the tail light assembly. Per the FSM, it appears like its a simple thing of removing 2 bolts to detach the tail light assembly.

Is that it? Or is there something else? I only ask because in another thread, someone has removed the bolts .. but the tail light assembly won't come off?

Please take pics man, I want to see the LED's lol :)

OK .. resurrecting this thread ..

Anyone w/pics of either LED bulb install?

LOL ... I may have to seriously consider the spiderlites .. to keep my "theme" going ...

LEDtronics .. url posted earlier has "resistor" package they sell for use w/LED bulbs ..

For what its worth .. there is another LED bulb style .. spiderlites ..

http://www.spiderlite.com


Ok .. bringing back an old thread .. and my old post.

Anyone get the spiderlites?

With the new tail light housing w/DOT-SAE stamping .. these are looking more and more intereting (despite the higher costs) ..

And if you go to the spiderlite website .. they now have a new X2 version ...

Ok .. bringing back an old thread .. and my old post.

Anyone get the spiderlites?

With the new tail light housing w/DOT-SAE stamping .. these are looking more and more intereting (despite the higher costs) ..

And if you go to the spiderlite website .. they now have a new X2 version ...

These lights are pretty much a gimick in my opinion. They don't really do much from the cars I've installed them in.