The new wheels/tires I'm having installed will be filled with Nitrogen instead of Air. It's supposed to be better for the tires as it does not react in any way with the rubber, stays cooler then air when you are driving and does not leak through the rubber (over time) like air will. Supposedly the tire pressure will stay the same for much longer then filling with air.

Since the custom shop I always deal with is doing it for free I thought why not. :D

It can't hurt but I wouldn't go out of the way to get it. The difference is negligable. As for air reacting to the rubber, what happens to the outside? :rolleyes:

Interesting. We use nitrogen on aircraft in the military because it is less suseptable to pressure changes and its non-corrsive(doesn't condense water molecules) to metal parts. Let us know if you get any benefits from this.

Interesting. We use nitrogen on aircraft in the military because it is less suseptable to pressure changes and its non-corrsive(doesn't condense water molecules) to metal parts. Let us know if you get any benefits from this.
We have Nitrogen in the VW tires. We got the tires from Costco and they do it automatically. I noticed no benefits. I think its one of the fables like the wing on the back of a Honda or bigger exhaust on tuner car. Wings gve you downforce, which goes over the rear wheels. Not something you want on a front wheel drive car. All they do is add drag and kill gas mileage and wave a big flag to cops saying look at me. Exhaust is good on large displacement motors. Motors are air pumps. Increasing the flow in the most restrictive spot will increase power. However, since most 4 bangers will never come close to maxing out the stock exhaust, and the stock exhaust is not the most restrictive part, when you add what I call a fart pipe, you decrease backpressure to a point the motor actually makes less power, especially at the low end, and as a result is slower, not faster. It again is a good cop caller though. ;)

what I call a fart pipe.... a good cop caller ;)

A WHATCHAMACALLIT!!!

Nitrogen is better than air but not for the reasons I have seen posted. Nitrogen is dry and does not contain water vapor. In racing conditions (on a road course), tires can easily reach 300 degrees f when pushed hard. Past the boiling point for that water vapor. When the water vapor boils it expands more than dry gas so the pressure rise is greater with air than dry nitrogen. This is why it is used in racing. On the street you will rarely see tire temps rise this high so you wont see as much of a benefit.

The leak rate is the same as air. Ozone and UV is what is breaking down your rubber, not water vapor so throw that myth out too.

I believe "Air" or aka. atmosphere we breath is composed of nearly 80% nitrogen.

I believe "Air" or aka. atmosphere we breath is composed of nearly 80% nitrogen.

Well then lets just over inflate our tires by 20%, wait while the oxygen leaks out....da da nitrogen filled tires for free :thumbup:


Only J/K BTW

There are some benefits from using nitrogen, although I'm not sure we will see the difference in normal driving. If you have to pay $5.00 a tire to fill with nitrogen I don't think you will get a return on your investment. Look here for more info:
http://choosetoprosper.com/nitrogen-in-car-tires.html

Well then lets just over inflate our tires by 20%, wait while the oxygen leaks out....da da nitrogen filled tires for free :thumbup:


Only J/K BTW


Since your body uses up a good portion of the O2 of the atmosphere that you inhale, I just exhale really hard into my valve stems which allows my tires to have a greater % of N2. It's a really good workout for the lungs but hard on the lips and knees. :crikey:

What if for some reason you have to fill your tires and gas stations only have air, what do you do then? Do you just put air?

Bringing this thread back to life.

I was resistant in getting this done because I thought it was a waste of money. However, I consulted with Pat Goss, of Goss' Garage (well known and I value his opinion) and he said it was beneficial and he uses it in all of his vehicles for the following reasons.

NitroFill Inflation Service
Increases Safety
Improves Performance
Saves Time, Money and Tires

You've heard about it, you've read about it, now it's here....

Nitrogen has been used for decades where safety and performance count most: NASCAR Racing, The Space Shuttle, Military and Commercial Airlines, and The Tour de France to name a few.

Nitrogen is better than compressed air because:
Nitrogen is a dry gas and free of moisture
Nitrogen doesn't deteriorate rubber like the "wet oxygen" in compressed air
Nitrogen has a larger molecular struture and won't leak like oxygen
Nitrogen makes tires less susceptible to air loss

Using NitroFill Inflation Tire Service:
-Increases tire life up to 30%
-Improves fuel economy
-Reduces the chance of tire failure up to 50%
-Improves brake and handling
-Reduces wheel corrosion
-Reduces running tire temperature
-Maintains proper tire pressure
-Maintaining steady and proper tire pressure reduces wear and increases safety

So, I said all of this to say that when I got my last oil change, I had it done as well.

i had nitrogen filled into both set of wheels i had on my accords. both accords were on 19s and it was probably the best not-so-expensive mod you can do. NYC is notorious for potholes, raised plates, road contruction, etc.. and i didn't have to have them refilled till almost 7-8 months later. they hold tire pressure and at the same time, prevents corrosion of the inner wheel since it doesn't hold moisture. and if tire pressure does decrease, they can be filled with regular air if nitrogen isn't available. when my armada is ready for its 22s or 24s, without a doubt nitrogen will be my choice to fill the tires with.

The earths atmosphere is composed primarily of Nitrogen (78%), the remaining balance is a mixture of Oxygen (21%) and a small percentage of Ozone, Argon and Carbon gases. Isn’t it ironic that the very gas (oxygen) that sustains life also causes organic materials to decompose and metals to rust?

Remove The Oxygen And Stop The Rot

To stop this decomposition you simply need to remove the oxygen from the ‘air’. (Incidentally, removing oxygen also means that you remove water because water is two parts Hydrogen gas, and one part Oxygen gas.)

Removing Oxygen from products is not new, we do it all the time with our food and drink. In fact, if we did not remove the oxygen our food would not likely last long enough to make it into the hands of the consumers – or it would taste stale and unappealing.

Nitrogen In Tires

Here are a few other benefits of using Nitrogen in tires:

[1] Nitrogen is denser than Oxygen: This means the larger molecules escape less easily from tires resulting in a more gradual loss of pressure over time. According to the Michelin Tire Manual, a tire that is inflated with Nitrogen loses its pressure 3 times slower than if it were inflated with air.

[2] Nitrogen is moisture free: Pure Nitrogen inflated tires experience less steel belt and rubber degradation. Nitrogen use also reduces valve and wheel corrosion.

[3] Nitrogen provides longer tire life: Nitrogen inflated tire run cooler and require less maintenance according to the Goodyear application bulletin.

[4] Nitrogen is non-flammable: Nitrogen technology has been used in aircraft, military and race car technology for over thirty years.

Does Joe Consumer ‘Get It’?

But can we expect ‘Joe Consumer’ to start paying for this new ‘air’ anytime soon? As always, the answer is “it depends.” If enough businesses and corporations get behind the idea and promote it steadily, uniformly and explain the numerous safety and cost savings, then eventually the message should make it through.

However, you do need to be realistic – it’s still considered by Joe Consumer to be ‘new’ and anything ‘new’ is usually avoided until it becomes familiar – it’s called the product adoption process.

It’s Still Weird Science

The other point to consider here is ‘selling Nitrogen’ is still science – and most people are not that comfortable with the whole science thing. And if you recall I mentioned that regular everyday air is 78% nitrogen anyway – so what would they be paying for?

Regular air is approximately 80% nitrogen anyway, are we to believe that an extra 20% makes all the difference… Ironically we now know that the answer is yes.

A Moral Dilemma

You and I both know that if using Nitrogen means your client’s tires last longer they will save money by not having to purchase as many tires. So Nitrogen use could mean less tire sales… And that’s the moral dilemma for you. Do you want to make a few dollars on tire inflation services that might ultimately reduce your tire sales or do you want to keep on doing business the way it is now?

Make Mine A Light Air

One thing’s for sure, with regular air and ‘diet air’ (or is that Air2 with half the carbs…) Nitrogen as a tire inflation option will slowly seep into the main stream (and yes the ‘seep’ pun was intentional).

Now take a deep breath… you just inhaled 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen and a few other lesser gases. Could you tell? Did it taste or smell different? That’s part of the challenge isn’t it. If regular customers are wary about the things they cannot see, what makes you think selling ‘new air’ is going to be any easier.

That's all I got to say bout that....

P.S. This is a copy and paste, I wish I was that smart...hehe

So it makes you wonder if you're really paying for air? The last thing I'm going to spend money on is prolonging my Contis. :)

I am trying to prolong my Cooper Zeons!

Wake up old thread..

Nice thread about Nitrogen, becuase when I picked up the new Mada, they said they filled up my tires with Nitrogen for free.. I was like... Thanks?
:)

Seems like it'd be worth it for free but not worth paying anything for. Most people using it haven't noticed any difference other than maybe more stable PSI during season Temp changes.

Here's a long thread on it: http://www.titantalk.com/forums/titan-general-discussion/75662-nitrogen-inflated-tires.html

The biggest advantage to nitrogen is the stability of the pressure. Most people will rarely (if ever) check the pressure on their tires so for them it would be a benefit.

I had a friend claim his car rode "smoother" on nitrogen filled tires :rolleyes:

Regarding rot, well I can't remember replacing a tire because of wear on the inside of it.

If it were free I say why not, for $5 / tire no way.

I have had Nitrogen in my 20" wheels for 3 years now. I get a glass smooth ride and consistently get over 30mpg! :rolleyes:

Actually - I never heard of such a thing but the Nitrogen was put in from the tire shop and I got the wheels from the dealer so I didn't specifically pay extra.

I will say that I never really had to add air to my tires and my Goodyear Eagle IIs have over 30K tires and there is quite a bit of tread life left. I was going to replace them hoping for a smoother ride but they have so much tread left I hate to spend $800 bucks or more when I can't guarantee a smoother ride.

With the price of tires and gas if Nitrogen helps, even a little, it might be worth the $20 bucks (total for 4) to me.

I wouldnt bother with nitrogen unless it was free with my tires.

I used nitrogen on a set of tires and i did notice that the air actually leaked out on all fours. I returned and had the tires checked for leaks and then remounted and filled with nitrogen again. Same issue happen, leaked on all fours. Returned and got 4 new tires courtsey of Costco. Sure enough same thing happened again.

So i took the vehicle home and release all the nitrogen and filled the 4 with air from my compressor. Never had the leaking problem again with the same tires.

I just think it is a scam and is not neccessary. People have been using air for ever and had no problems.

Can the air and nitro be mixed in the same tire? Pressure is a bit low and i'm not sure if i should use nitro or if i can mix regular air with it...

Can the air and nitro be mixed in the same tire? Pressure is a bit low and i'm not sure if i should use nitro or if i can mix regular air with it...yes, you can, not a biggie, unless you are sold on the pure nitrogen blitz. As noted in an old post in this thread, air is 78% nitrogen - so you'll be putting in mostly nitrogen with an air topup. You can read opinions above in this thread - some for, some against, mostly neutral. For me personally I think it is mostly gimic ref that 78% composition of air, and I often air down for rough trails and boost pressure for long highway, so I just pump air. I'd say that driving around low while trying to find a place with nitrogen has got to be worse for mpg and tire life than any of the issues quoted about air in the pro nitrogen articles.

yes, you can, not a biggie, unless you are sold on the pure nitrogen blitz. As noted in an old post in this thread, air is 78% nitrogen - so you'll be putting in mostly nitrogen with an air topup. You can read opinions above in this thread - some for, some against, mostly neutral. For me personally I think it is mostly gimic ref that 78% composition of air, and I often air down for rough trails and boost pressure for long highway, so I just pump air. I'd say that driving around low while trying to find a place with nitrogen has got to be worse for mpg and tire life than any of the issues quoted about air in the pro nitrogen articles.

Thanks...I'm not that familiar with the nitrogen thing with the exception of this forum but I'd prefer to save the money unless there is some proven benefit.

... I'd prefer to save the money unless there is some proven benefit.for me personally I am not convinced enough on benefits to pay anything for nitrogen, nor go to the trouble of getting it. Others have listed benefits in this thread above, if those are important enough for you here is a hint if you do want nitrogen and are a Costco member - they give topups to members for free.