Looks like M/B has finally stepped up to the plate and delivered http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Dec05/09MoreDeatailsOnTheGL.html

The 420 CDi V8 looks awesome: http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2050518.006

...time to trade in the Q?

Very nice but I'm sure their prices are :temphot:

I bet soon the diesel engines would be available on Chryslers, Jeep and Dodge.

And people say the Nissan/Infiniti's have reliability issues! Take a look at Mercedes reliability, makes our cars look perfect.

Keith

betcha 20 bucks the 07' Qx and Madas are gonna make that thing look like a dog on the drag strip.

Mercedes,Chyrsler,Dodge,jeep-:bow: -Nissan,Infiniti,renault

betcha 20 bucks the 07' Qx and Madas are gonna make that thing look like a dog on the drag strip.

Mercedes,Chyrsler,Dodge,jeep-:bow: -Nissan,Infiniti,renault

That is hilarious.

I can't believe anyone would actually take a porky SUV to the drag strip.

p.s. My MB SUV was much faster than my QX and more importantly (froma fun factor standpoint) handled much, much better.

You should ask some german ML - owners;
the technical quality is poor: they have so much problems with the new
7-geartronic. And Mercedes - as usual - lets their custumers standing alone in the rain with those problems.
I hate this MB-habits here in Germany. Thatīs the reason wy they lost me as a custumer....

You should ask some german ML - owners;
the technical quality is poor: they have so much problems with the new
7-geartronic. And Mercedes - as usual - lets their custumers standing alone in the rain with those problems.
I hate this MB-habits here in Germany. Thatīs the reason wy they lost me as a custumer....

Hey Andreas, were able to take the speed limiter off? or are you still going 112MPH on the autoban? :cool:

@ ggeorgie
hey,
so far I was not able to take the speedlimiter off.
But that doesnīt disturb me so much anymore;
since I have the car and drive it dayli i figured, that crusing is
real fun with the QX.
While driving on the Autobahn with 80/90mph I look down to the crowd
of restless hounting little MLīs and their drivers and feel sorry for them...
(on the other hand those guys are lucky because their cars are driving
jet and not - as usual - standing at the MB-service point because off electronical problems...)
Anyway, my QX goes 112mph in a very relax way. I wouldnīt mind if someone finds a solution for this speedlimiter some day...
Have a nice day,
Andreas

That is hilarious.

I can't believe anyone would actually take a porky SUV to the drag strip.

p.s. My MB SUV was much faster than my QX and more importantly (froma fun factor standpoint) handled much, much better.

So what kinda glorified chrysler did you own? I've personally driven the ml range (except the amg but thats bleeding expensive probably) and to say the most, not impressive. Their slow cars, small and doesnt compete with a Qx (competes with the Fx and one of those will out handle a cayenne). Ill give you the point about handling but not straight line performance.

So what kinda glorified chrysler did you own?

You can't be serious with that brand loyalty goofiness, can you? They're just trucks after all.

I owned a ML430 and then an ML55. (pre-Chrysler days BTW since that apparently matters to you.)

Ill give you the point about handling but not straight line performance.

What is less than a second's difference 0-60 / 1/4 mile in porky trucks (430 vs. QX56) a big deal? Really. I find the virtual chest thumping about huge, relatively slow vehicles VERY funny.

They're utility vehicles folks. Not sports cars.

A few miliseconds can mean a few car lengths as well. I know these arent sports cars but it'll nuke a few sports cars to 60. For example, bmw 325, mercedes c230,lexus is 300, bmw 530, bmw 525,lexus es 330, lexus ls 430. etc.. etc (i bet more mercs would be in the list but i'm no expert on mercedes). You forgot to mention that i said the ml compete with a Qx and it actually competes with an Fx(fx45 vs cadillac srx, bmw x5 4.4 vs cayenne s and beat all of them around a track). :moon:

You can't be serious with that brand loyalty goofiness, can you? They're just trucks after all.

I owned a ML430 and then an ML55. (pre-Chrysler days BTW since that apparently matters to you.)



What is less than a second's difference 0-60 / 1/4 mile in porky trucks (430 vs. QX56) a big deal? Really. I find the virtual chest thumping about huge, relatively slow vehicles VERY funny.

They're utility vehicles folks. Not sports cars.

EXACTLY! This puppy (Armada) is plenty fast for everyday driving in the war zone. Driving this big wagon keeps me from driving outlandishly fast in a sports car or sports sedan and where would that get me, besides in some big trouble! (Plus, I can tow the boat and load it up with the family and it doesn't really slow down much).

(pre-Chrysler days BTW since that apparently matters to you.)

That doesnt bother me but i just wanted to be a jerk, lol

-Son of SQS

-Son of SQS

Ah, that explains the cluelessness.

Thanks for the clarification.

Ah, that explains the cluelessness.

Thanks for the clarification.

:udaman: haha very funny, i have a question for you if you like chrysler so much why did you buy a mada? anyways you still havent said anything back to me about the Fx(which is the ml's competitor). ANyways I know of a few tricks an ml55 cant do that a Q or Mada can, be useful offroad, tow a heavy whatever,and accomidate 8 people comfortable. A 55 will be faster but not a 430. Put on a volant and Borla's then come talk to me. O yea are you a troll?
:fullofit: :chillpill

Looks like M/B has finally stepped up to the plate and delivered http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Dec05/09MoreDeatailsOnTheGL.html

The 420 CDi V8 looks awesome: http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2050518.006

...time to trade in the Q?

hey, i'm working at the plant where they build them. so far all looks okay. i would wait at least 6 months until considering one - as with any new release. i will say the gl looks better than the R and M class. it will cost mega bucks ->50k

:udaman: haha very funny, i have a question for you if you like chrysler so much why did you buy a mada? anyways you still havent said anything back to me about the Fx(which is the ml's competitor). ANyways I know of a few tricks an ml55 cant do that a Q or Mada can, be useful offroad, tow a heavy whatever,and accomidate 8 people comfortable. A 55 will be faster but not a 430. Put on a volant and Borla's then come talk to me. O yea are you a troll?
:fullofit: :chillpill

Child, I think it's time that you start checking with mommy and daddy before you post, lest you continue to embarass them with silly posts.

Have a nice life.

Why even bring the FX and ML into this discussion? Besides they should not even be classed as SUV's. Stick them with the Lexus RX group. MPV's maybe? :)

The M/B GL is clearly a QX competitor. That 420 V8 CDi looks awesome and will kick butt! :whip:

0-60 in 6.1 seconds
150 mph (limited)
315 Hp
540 Lb-ft
25mpg !!! :machinegu

Why even bring the FX and ML into this discussion? Besides they should not even be classed as SUV's. Stick them with the Lexus RX group. MPV's maybe? :)


Yes, the FX is just another tall car trying to be an SUV.

The fiirst MLs (W163) are a different class of vehicles. Ladder frames, capable off road, low range, etc.

Child, I think it's time that you start checking with mommy and daddy before you post, lest you continue to embarass them with silly posts.

Have a nice life.

HULLIO IS BACK PPL!!! BEEN AO LONG SINCE I HAVE BEEN ON THIS FORUM! :eek: Anyways. what's this beef going 'round here brah..Justsomeguy seems to like Crapsler's..i mean..Chryslers. Dude you gotta chill out..if you're so obsessed with the ML's and what not, why did you buy an Armada? the fact is Mercedes are known for over-priced, horrible quality vehicles which only have great looks..SOMETIMES..the new ML looks like it was created by a blind man. And the facts that you are telling SilverQShip to start "checking wih mommy and daddy b4 posting" is just obnoxious..and i'll tell you another thing guy, i'm only 15 and seem to have much more respect towards other ppl and have much more common sense and smarts than you will ever have. You feeling me? Don't be starting trouble with my fellow Armada/QX family :cool:

HULLIO IS BACK PPL!!! BEEN AO LONG SINCE I HAVE BEEN ON THIS FORUM! :eek: Anyways. what's this beef going 'round here brah..Justsomeguy seems to like Crapsler's..i mean..Chryslers. Dude you gotta chill out..if you're so obsessed with the ML's and what not, why did you buy an Armada? the fact is Mercedes are known for over-priced, horrible quality vehicles which only have great looks..SOMETIMES..the new ML looks like it was created by a blind man. And the facts that you are telling SilverQShip to start "checking wih mommy and daddy b4 posting" is just obnoxious..and i'll tell you another thing guy, i'm only 15 and seem to have much more respect towards other ppl and have much more common sense and smarts than you will ever have. You feeling me? Don't be starting trouble with my fellow Armada/QX family :cool:

Go get him tiger :whip: , where have you been all this time? :confused:

I feel bad for that dude. You should know better then starting stuff on a board you just joined. Live and learn I guess!

Yea seriously, If you love chrysler sooo much why the hell are you on the Armada board? Dont start $hit on board you just joined. Still Armada/Qx diesel will own the lil' merc.

I turned in a 2002 ML320 and got an Armada. ML320 is the biggest piece of junk I have ever owned. I admit the service was better than Nissan, but it is a very poorly built vehicle.
examples- The plastic C pillars ( I think that's what they're called )were cracking on both sides. This was because the glue they used to stick to the metal underneath didn't let the plastic expand and contract at the same rate as the metal they were glued to.
The whole center console between the front seats needed to be replace because when the windows got dirty, it would overload the motor and short out.
The transmission went out at 10k miles.
There were many more problems.

Also, I got 11mpg from a 3.2 liter 6 cyl. I am amazed that I am getting 12mpg from my Armada that is superior in every category.

For any of you that rag on the Bose system in the Armada, you should listen to the sound systems in the ML's. Gave me a headache from all the clipping and over driven boomy bass that could not be adjusted out.

if you're so obsessed with the ML's and what not, why did you buy an Armada?

Many kids seem to be plagued by reading comprehension issues. I'm not obsessed with MLs and I didn't buy an Armada. I would suggest that you read the sub-forum title, a few times if necessary and ponder its meaning. Good luck.

One of the problems with forums these days is that they can be polluted by children who aren't even old enough to drive yet who think that their ill-informed opinions have merit.

When corrected by people who have actually owned, and driven, the vehicles which are being discussed, these teenie boppers get all flustered and lash out in typical playground fashion.

It's amusing, in a sad kind of way, but only briefly. Those juvenile antics wear thin in a very short amount of time.

Many kids seem to be plagued by reading comprehension issues. I'm not obsessed with MLs and I didn't buy an Armada. I would suggest that you read the sub-forum title, a few times if necessary and ponder its meaning. Good luck.

One of the problems with forums these days is that they can be polluted by children who aren't even old enough to drive yet who think that their ill-informed opinions have merit.

When corrected by people who have actually owned, and driven, the vehicles which are being discussed, these teenie boppers get all flustered and lash out in typical playground fashion.

It's amusing, in a sad kind of way, but only briefly. Those juvenile antics wear thin in a very short amount of time.

My friend, one must ponder the question of "why I am here?" In your case, and in reading all of your 13 posts, you seem to have made yourself out to be some what of a negative and overbearing azz who is obviously suffering from a huge bout of buyer's remorse. Please do us a favor and trade in your "Q" for something that will satisfy your tastes and find a new board to whine on. As for your comments about children....maybe you should act less like one and stop engaging a young man who has for the most part contributed very positive feedback to the forum. His age is reasonable excuse for his maturity...what's yours?

Have a nice day!!

who is obviously suffering from a huge bout of buyer's remorse.

Apparently the reading comprehension issues aren't limited to to the teenie boppers.

Buyer's remorse? That's very funny.

After 28k miles in a little over a year my truck suits my needs quite well. Does that mean that it's perfect? Nope. Does that mean that other vehicles can't do things better? Nope.

Unfortunately, the folks that apparently have a good deal of their self-worth tied up in a collection of metal, plastic, and glass get offended when rational folks discuss their truck. They also see people discussing what they perceive to be negative traits of the trucks as "whining" when that is far from the truth.

You fall into that group, based upon your comments.

Fianlly, if my posts continue to cause you distress I would suggest that you exercise some self-control and resist the apparently overwhelming urge that you have to read my posts. Failing that, have someone explain to you how to use the "ignore poster" feature of the forum software. You'll feel much better about yourself.

It's just a truck after all...

Cheers!

Apparently the reading comprehension issues aren't limited to to the teenie boppers.

Buyer's remorse? That's very funny.

After 28k miles in a little over a year my truck suits my needs quite well. Does that mean that it's perfect? Nope. Does that mean that other vehicles can't do things better? Nope.

Unfortunately, the folks that apparently have a good deal of their self-worth tied up in a collection of metal, plastic, and glass get offended when rational folks discuss their truck. They also see people discussing what they perceive to be negative traits of the trucks as "whining" when that is far from the truth.

You fall into that group, based upon your comments.

Fianlly, if my posts continue to cause you distress I would suggest that you exercise some self-control and resist the apparently overwhelming urge that you have to read my posts. Failing that, have someone explain to you how to use the "ignore poster" feature of the forum software. You'll feel much better about yourself.

It's just a truck after all...

Cheers!
justsomeguy,
The point of a forum is either bring some value by helping others, or learning from it and asking questions. You have not brought any value to this forum, nor have you shown that you know anything about the Armada or QX56.
You have attacked me, and now a few other people.
You have *****ed about "kids" on this forum. Look at your own posts. Nothing but B.S. with no substance. You need to grow up.

You have not brought any value to this forum, nor have you shown that you know anything about the Armada or QX56.
You have attacked me, and now a few other people.


Because someone has a different opinion than you about that horrible "downhill assist" you consider it an attack (time to break out some Kleenex?) and that they don't know anything about the QX? Do you realize how ridiculous that is?

You obviously think it's just great. I'm happy for you. Really.

I'll offer you the same advice that I offered the other fragile fellow. If my posts continue to cause you distress exercise some self-control and don't read them. Failing that, learn to use the "ignore poster" feature.

Cheers!

p.s. "Nothing but B.S. with no substance." made me laugh out loud. Thanks.

Apparently the reading comprehension issues aren't limited to to the teenie boppers.

Buyer's remorse? That's very funny.

After 28k miles in a little over a year my truck suits my needs quite well. Does that mean that it's perfect? Nope. Does that mean that other vehicles can't do things better? Nope.

Unfortunately, the folks that apparently have a good deal of their self-worth tied up in a collection of metal, plastic, and glass get offended when rational folks discuss their truck. They also see people discussing what they perceive to be negative traits of the trucks as "whining" when that is far from the truth.

You fall into that group, based upon your comments.

Fianlly, if my posts continue to cause you distress I would suggest that you exercise some self-control and resist the apparently overwhelming urge that you have to read my posts. Failing that, have someone explain to you how to use the "ignore poster" feature of the forum software. You'll feel much better about yourself.

It's just a truck after all...

Cheers!

Well this is boring....have a nice day!!

Many kids seem to be plagued by reading comprehension issues. I'm not obsessed with MLs and I didn't buy an Armada. I would suggest that you read the sub-forum title, a few times if necessary and ponder its meaning. Good luck.

One of the problems with forums these days is that they can be polluted by children who aren't even old enough to drive yet who think that their ill-informed opinions have merit.

When corrected by people who have actually owned, and driven, the vehicles which are being discussed, these teenie boppers get all flustered and lash out in typical playground fashion.

It's amusing, in a sad kind of way, but only briefly. Those juvenile antics wear thin in a very short amount of time.

Looks like someone has no life...try this out for a change, get off your computer, go outside and get some exercise ok? Please tell me that you have something better than ranting on people on this forum including a 15 year-old. And if you had any brains, which to me seems VERY minimal, this is a Nissan Armada Forum, we don't need people like you clogging up this forum and putting their ill-informed opinions. It's time to get up and move out of your mom's basement.

I hope you have a nice day

Looks like someone has no life...try this out for a change, get off your computer, go outside and get some exercise ok?

Thanks for proving my point, again.

Have a nice life!

:machinegu THREAD

At this point there is no point...moderaters please close!!!:boxing:

That is hilarious.

I can't believe anyone would actually take a porky SUV to the drag strip.

p.s. My MB SUV was much faster than my QX and more importantly (froma fun factor standpoint) handled much, much better.

But the "car like" MB SUV is not a "truck" and comparatively can't tow squat. Just like the BMW Xs, basically an expensive, stylish awd mini van that would destroy itself in the first year pulling any kind of heavy load. MB really has nothing in their line-up that can compare to the QX/Armada in capability/features. The MBs&Xs are generally only good for high-end soccer mom boulevard posers.

But the "car like" MB SUV is not a "truck" and comparatively can't tow squat. Just like the BMW Xs, basically an expensive, stylish awd mini van that would destroy itself in the first year pulling any kind of heavy load. MB really has nothing in their line-up that can compare to the QX/Armada in capability/features. The MBs&Xs are generally only good for high-end soccer mom boulevard posers.

I never claimed that MB has anything that directly compares to the QX/Armada...

There's a big difference between the ML and X5 as far as performance off-road and durability in general. Ladder frame vs. unibody. Low range vs. no low range. etc., etc.

As far as your towing comments, it really depends upon how you define "squat," doesn't it? The ML did fine towing 5500+ pounds of car and heavy Uhaul trailer a few times and did fine during regular duty towing 5,000 pounds of wakeboat.

http://www.paradigmhosting.net/images/1tow.jpg

When we decided to move to a bigger vehicle one of the reasons that I looked at the QX (despite the fact that I think they look like a Transformer), is that I didn't want to take a step backwards in the torque department even though I knew that I was going to take a step back in handling.

I never claimed that MB has anything that directly compares to the QX/Armada...

There's a big difference between the ML and X5 as far as performance off-road and durability in general. Ladder frame vs. unibody. Low range vs. no low range. etc., etc.

As far as your towing comments, it really depends upon how you define "squat," doesn't it? The ML did fine towing 5500+ pounds of car and heavy Uhaul trailer a few times and did fine during regular duty towing 5,000 pounds of wakeboat.



When we decided to move to a bigger vehicle one of the reasons that I looked at the QX (despite the fact that I think they look like a Transformer), is that I didn't want to take a step backwards in the torque department even though I knew that I was going to take a step back in handling.

It's all about the last word with you isn't it? You've spent a good deal of money on what many of us think is a great truck. IMHO its number one in its class versus an Escalade, Denali, or Navigator. Honestly I don't know how anyone could do a realistic comparison to anything else. If and when MB releases a larger class SUV we'll see what's up and you can trade in your "Q." Simply put, you can agree to disagree with the majority of the board and lets move on!!

I never claimed that MB has anything that directly compares to the QX/Armada...

There's a big difference between the ML and X5 as far as performance off-road and durability in general. Ladder frame vs. unibody. Low range vs. no low range. etc., etc.

As far as your towing comments, it really depends upon how you define "squat," doesn't it? The ML did fine towing 5500+ pounds of car and heavy Uhaul trailer a few times and did fine during regular duty towing 5,000 pounds of wakeboat.

http://www.paradigmhosting.net/images/1tow.jpg

When we decided to move to a bigger vehicle one of the reasons that I looked at the QX (despite the fact that I think they look like a Transformer), is that I didn't want to take a step backwards in the torque department even though I knew that I was going to take a step back in handling.

"Squat" is just a little over half of the Armadas capacity or about the same as a Chevy Astro mini van.

Thanks for proving my point, again.

Have a nice life!

Are you always this dumb or are you making a special effort today? Also, let me just take a random stab in the dark, you must have a wonderful social life? I think a mod. should come and close this topic already lol

Simply put, you can agree to disagree with the majority of the board and lets move on!!

Which part of "discussion forum" are you struggling with?

If the discussion causes you discomfort you have the option of not reading it anymore. Or you can continue to whine about the discussion and ask that the thread be closed to protect you from having to read it anymore.

Really, are you that helpless?

Which part of "discussion forum" are you struggling with?

If the discussion causes you discomfort you have the option of not reading it anymore. Or you can continue to whine about the discussion and ask that the thread be closed to protect you from having to read it anymore.

Really, are you that helpless?


Are you this confrontational in person? You've gone way past discussion and just moved on to annoyance. More and more I feel you have no intention of offering anything to the board but negativity. I can't imagine what satisfaction this gives you. :confused:

^ I know eh? What's up with this person? By posting negative and smart a** comments, what are you gaining out of this? If you continue to do so, you literally will be known as "Just Some Guy" who is continually posting annoying comments. :crikey: I mean, i'm not saying that you can't post your opinion about the Armada/QX, all i'm saying is that the way that you are showing/expressing your opinion is becoming an annoyance...We all understand you don't have a strong bond between the Armada/QX, so then just drop it!

If the discussion causes you discomfort you have the option of not reading it anymore. Or you can continue to whine about the discussion and ask that the thread be closed to protect you from having to read it anymore.
I would not dream of encouraging this thread closing. Your posts are just too darn entertaining, no where else can I read so much pompous, high brow, utterly useless offensive drivel! Why, just the way you treated the young man in this thread leads me to believe your offspring must be something special, with them having such a understanding role model of course. If you are looking for some kind of understanding or respect for your views, you have approached it all wrong, you certainly have poisoned your reputation in near-record time in this forum. The young man has more class than you could ever buy.

:D :D I wouldn't close this thread either... but maybe we should move this to the general diss. area... :D :D the way this is going...

justsomeguy,
How do we know you're legitimate. So you post some pictures from a website that has hundreds of mountain biking pictures, and a couple of a QX56 and a red 911
Here's another cool shot you forgot to post.

Justsomeguy must think hes soo awesome and cool for aguing with teenagers. Personally i think hes a troll and an @$$hole

i guess we scared him off? lol :p anyways Happy New Years ppl! :D

Are you this confrontational in person? You've gone way past discussion and just moved on to annoyance.

I'm even more irreverent in person. Again, if you're annoyed, why do you keep torturing yourself by clicking on the thread? Or is the thread "boring" as you have also claimed? If it's boring, why do you keep returning?

more blather

Awesome job bringing my kids into a discussion about your lack of knowledge about some SUVs! That makes your comments about "class" even more ironic.

p.s. You should be careful about throwing terms around like "boulevard posers" considering all of the folks posting here with gaudy trucks sporting enormous blingy wheels that fit that description.

How do we know you're legitimate.

Yeah, that can't be me. After all I need to "go outside and get some exercise for a change," right?

I'm even more irreverent in person. Again, if you're annoyed, why do you keep torturing yourself by clicking on the thread? Or is the thread "boring" as you have also claimed? If it's boring, why do you keep returning?



Awesome job bringing my kids into a discussion about your lack of knowledge about some SUVs! That makes your comments about "class" even more ironic.

p.s. You should be careful about throwing terms around like "boulevard posers" considering all of the folks posting here with gaudy trucks sporting enormous blingy wheels that fit that description.

Ohh how we all missed your childish comments. I have a question for you, if you're getting nothing but hatred from this thread from my fellow club armada people, why do YOU keep on returning? BTW, i'm guessing that you don't have a QX56/Armada correct? If you don't, why the hell are you in this forum? Is it that you can't read? Or are you just insecure and you need other people to start agreeing with your obnoxious comments.

Yeah, that can't be me. After all I need to "go outside and get some exercise for a change," right?

pshh yeah that's right lol. It's wonderful to see that you finally realize.

Ohh how we all missed your childish comments. I have a question for you, if you're getting nothing but hatred from this thread from my fellow club armada people, why do YOU keep on returning? BTW, i'm guessing that you don't have a QX56/Armada correct? If you don't, why the hell are you in this forum? Is it that you can't read? Or are you just insecure and you need other people to start agreeing with your obnoxious comments.

HES A TROLL!!!! I bet he owns some kind of large suv maybe lx 470 or navigator, possible an ml 320 as well. Just some guy that fact of the matter is that we dont like you and we want you to get your sorry *** off this board. You've insulted me and you've insulted my fellow clubarmada members and we here at clubarmada dont stand for this kinda $hit from @ssholes like you so piss off!!! :moon: :talk2much

[QUOTE=justsomeguy]
Awesome job bringing my kids into a discussion about your lack of knowledge about some SUVs! That makes your comments about "class" even more ironic.

p.s. You should be careful about throwing terms around like "boulevard posers" considering all of the folks posting here with gaudy trucks sporting enormous blingy wheels that fit that description.
QUOTE]

I believe you were the first to bring the subject of kids into any of our conversations and not ignore his posts (your advice, I believe?). At least now you have the courage to try to pick on an adult, My knowledge of SUVs only extends to "truck based types", what truck is the MB based on? If it does have ladder type frame construction why does it have such a limited tow capacity, is the driveline weak? I bet the Nissan Pathfinder would out-tow the MB, I will have to look at the capacities. Of the last three tow vehicles I have owned the Armada is rated the least, anything under 8k is no good for towing in the mountains, just flat-lands (boulevards?). Personally I think it is a real stretch to call the MB SUV a "truck". An over-glorified German mini van holds no interest for me; too small, too expensive and too limited in capability.

I believe you were the first to bring the subject of kids into any of our conversations and not ignore his posts (your advice, I believe?). At least now you have the courage to try to pick on an adult, My knowledge of SUVs only extends to "truck based types", what truck is the MB based on? If it does have ladder type frame construction why does it have such a limited tow capacity, is the driveline weak? I bet the Nissan Pathfinder would out-tow the MB, I will have to look at the capacities. Of the last three tow vehicles I have owned the Armada is rated the least, anything under 8k is no good for towing in the mountains, just flat-lands (boulevards?). Personally I think it is a real stretch to call the MB SUV a "truck". An over-glorified German mini van holds no interest for me; too small, too expensive and too limited in capability.

That german mini van is a deisel and it cant even out tow a qx or mada.

Looked up the MB ML ($50k) and it is rated at a whopping 5k max towing(v6 or v8), the Nissan Frontier tops out at 6.5k, Pathfinder @ 6k. Now for the big gun, the MB GL, it can tow an incredible 7.5k, wow, and the base price is only $94k, optioned out $177k, what a bargain! WHAT A JOKE!!

LOL :amazing: :rrg:, wow i can see it now that 177k Merc going up a big dirt hill getting stuck then Cillyone having to tow his own trailer the merc and its trailer up. :D

I believe you were the first to bring the subject of kids into any of our conversations and not ignore his posts (your advice, I believe?).

Yeah, my bad for calling a spade a spade when I realized that a kid was masquerading as daddy.

A bit different than your ironic comments.

At least now you have the courage to try to pick on an adult, My knowledge of SUVs only extends to "truck based types", what truck is the MB based on? If it does have ladder type frame construction why does it have such a limited tow capacity, is the driveline weak?

That's funny. You feel picked on? Isn't that pretty normal for you when you're on forums defending your precious 5.6 Nissan engine against the big three? You're a riot.

Yes, the MLs do have a ladder frame. Congrats! You've actually learned something about SUVs in this thread!

http://www.paradigmhosting.net/images/ouch3.jpg


Of the last three tow vehicles I have owned the Armada is rated the least, anything under 8k is no good for towing in the mountains, just flat-lands (boulevards?).

What you apparently fail to realize is that people have varying towing needs which range from none at all while posing along the boulevard on their 22s listening to their thumping system to relatively "light" loads like boats to relatively "heavy" loads like redneck trailers.

My old SUV did a fine job of towing "squat" in the mountains and the flat lands, despite your assumptions. Sorry.

p.s. The US MLs were rated at 5,000 vs. 7715 lbs for the euro versions because MB used a different hitch in Europe. Hey, you just learned something else! Congrats!

p.p.s. I'll keep my eyes open for you on the boulevards of Livermore. Heck we're almost neighbors.

p.p.s. I'll keep my eyes open for you on the boulevards of Livermore. Heck we're almost neighbors.
Yeah, I'll be easy to spot, I'm the one towing a real trailer (8k#) with a REAL SUV, but it won't be on the boulevard with you, I'll be headed out of town to have some fun. Enjoy your soccer game.

I'll keep my eyes open for you on the boulevards of Livermore.

I'll keep an eye out for you as well i live right by you (In Pleasanton). Ill be easy to spot as well, in about a weeks time ill be driving a Jade Qx with some sort of black 20" rims wrapped in either Nitto Terra Grapples or Toyo open country. While we're at it lets go buy a really thick rope or tow chain, hook the front of my car up to the rear of yours and make a movie of me pulling you helpless little Merc around in a parking lot IN REVERSE. Then we can go get a 8900 lb trailers and have a drag race, and If your still up for some fun we can hed to a drag strip and we'll drag my Qx against you Ml430 where you'll get spanked.
Reason being-> Qx56 ML 430

0-60 6.8------------------------8.2
1/4 15.1------------------------16.4
top speed limited to 112mph-----------limited to 112mph

Hey wow we're all so proud of you and your damn Mercedes! Guess what!? Too bad it's left in the dust of the Armada and the QX. Why don't you go to some Mercedes forum and explain your logic among many other owners iight? Somehow you fail to realize that this is clubarmada.com...

http://www.paradigmhosting.net/images/ouch3.jpg
^ let me guess, that's your ML isn't it lol and don't be frontin' that it's not. I guess you saw an Armada drive by you and it just wiped the ML clean off the road ;) An no offence, this isn't the right way to express your opinion Justsomeguy..everyone does have the right to their opinion but it shouldn't be shown like this and in the end you brought this all on your-self. I hope you have an amazing life, well whats left of it because the path you're going down is going to end you up in trouble if you continue to act like this outside this forum. I don't know if you do but it seems like this 15 year-old has more street smarts and more common sense than you ;)

2006 Mercedes-Benz ML 500
MSRP = $72,500.00 (CAN.)
5.0 L V-8
302hp @ 5,600RPM
339 lb.-ft. @ 2,700RPM
(# of valves) 24


2006 Nissan Armada
MSRP = $59,398.00 (CAN.)

5.6 V-8
305hp @ 4,900RPM
385 lb.-ft. @ 3,600RPM
(# of valves) 32

p.s. you're setting a wonderful example for kids my age of how people can turn up like you..I thank the starter of this thread because it showed me how obnoxious, childish and insecure some people could be.

p.p.s. you can catch me in the Armada in a couple of months when I get my driver's license

:cool:

Mercedes GL 450 has a towing capacity of 7500lbs. My guess is that the 420 CDi will be capable of more. Nissan better get a move-on with their diesel launch.

http://www.mbusa.com/models/future/glclass/specs.do

Mercedes GL 450 has a towing capacity of 7500lbs. My guess is that the 420 CDi will be capable of more. Nissan better get a move-on with their diesel launch.

http://www.mbusa.com/models/future/glclass/specs.do


Look at the MSRP of the MB!

Look at the MSRP of the MB!

I can afford it. :teeth: :teeth: :teeth:

That's great, I would rather spend the +100k on a Armada and maybe a 350Z for for a commute car and bank the rest. The GL and the Armada really are not sales competitors.

...The GL and the Armada really are not sales competitors.

Well the QX is. Anything above $50k is in the ball-park. :2cool:

Well the QX is. Anything above $50k is in the ball-park. :2cool:
That is WAY bigger than my ball park. The GL starts at 94k, and I bet anything that is not for a diesel. My guess is you had better bring 120k to the party for a diesel stripper.

Looks like M/B has finally stepped up to the plate and delivered http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Dec05/09MoreDeatailsOnTheGL.html

The 420 CDi V8 looks awesome: http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2050518.006

...time to trade in the Q?

God!!! I know I have been waiting for MB to step up. I had a mint ML55 AMG and only sold it because the wheelbase was too short and towing capacity was not high enough. But the quality was top notch. I actually looked at a G55, but the high price and short wheelbase turned me off. I went for the QX since the capacity was high, interior was decent and wheelbase was long enough for long tows. But now, I may have to trade it in!!!

I was at the MB dealer in Birmingham, AL this weekend, and I saw a GL on the lot. I noticed it had a tag, but no badges. I got out to get a closer look and saw the back glass had a decal that said "Test Vehicle".

The dash and console looked like the ML and the leather looked nice, but the exterior, which I hadn't noticed when looking at pictures, looked more like a bigger R500, instead of a bigger ML500.

I test-drove the GL450 this weekend and it's a beaut. MSRP of $55k but optioned out to $65k. They have no idea when the 320/420CDi will become available.

Took the wife to see it and she took one look and said nice but no luggage space with the rear seats up - "let's get the diesel QX when it comes out" :)

:ugogirl:

ML is made in the US in Arkansas? Somewhere like that.
Its small, like a trailblazer size, not, as they put it, "Full Size". Its smaller than the Sequoia. 7500 tow rating, shorter, narrower, lower, less ground clearance, etc. If you want a mid-sized SUV that costs $60k, then it might be worth a look. But if you want full size, you are in the wrong class. This competes against the Range Rover, Durango, and Porsche Cayenne more than the Mada. We compete with the Expedtion, Tahoe, and next gen sequoia, which isn't out yet.

Isnt the Gl on a Jeep Commander platform like the R class is on a Pacifica platform. My dad says its a real Suv and i can TOW. The way i see it is that the Gl is too small and we still have a higher tow rating, and a better looking car too IMO.

-son of SQS

That's about it. Merc offered no 7 seater except that $70k+ lunch box the G. The GL replaces that.

Again, its smaller, more expensive, etc. It competes with the Land Rover Range Rover lineup, the Porsche Cayenne, XC90, Lexus GX470, and that's about it. You can't compare it to the Navigator, QX, or Escalade. These are full size 1500 rated vehicles. You can't compare it to the Touregg, Durango, Sequoia or Commander. These aren't luxury vehicles though size wise they are similar. The Mada is bigger and less lux. It is a different class altogether, competing with the Excursion, Tahoe, Yukon, Suburban.

And the 100k stuff is silly. Its 56k. So in conclusion, this vehicle will appeal to MB owners, people who want to project that they can afford it, etc. It won't appeal to people who actually use their vehicles for anything besides commuting to the office or the occasional polo game or ski resort. Off roaders, people with a true 6+ passenger need, towers, performance junkies, cargo haulers, etc. will look elsewhere, which is why I got the Mada in the first place.

I don't see how anyone can say the MB SUV's are quality. I had a ML320 for 4 miserable years. Many of my friends and family also had one too. It's amazing how many problems we had that were all the same.
Maybe the ML55 were better?(AMG touch) Even the S and E class sedans are built terribly. This is well known and even admitted to by MB service people.
As far as the GL, it'll probably sell to the same crowd that ***** foots the G500/G55 around. I used to love the G wagon. Maybe its just the people driving them I don't like.

Some are quality, some aren't. The quality ones all have price tags over $100k. Funny, since they merged with Chrysler, MB quality has dropped, and Chrysler has gone up. Go figure. :rolleyes:

Off roaders, people with a true 6+ passenger need, towers, performance junkies, cargo haulers, etc. will look elsewhere, which is why I got the Mada in the first place.

Lots of confusion still rolling through this thread. Is it due to wnership goggles or are folks just that familiar with the vehicle(s) that they are trying to discuss?

It certainly could be argued that the GL can be more capable than an Armada/QX off-road due to adjustable suspension with more ground clearance, locking diffs, etc.

The GL and the Armada really are not in the same class. the GL is much smaller, more Durango in size. Compared to the Armada the GL has 6.7" less shoulder room, less leg room in every row and is over 6" shorter overall and has a +2" narrower track. The GL is essentially a stretched ML, nearly identical overall width with the ML with the length bumped up 12", which makes it pretty narrow for how long it is. In reality it should be called a MLXL as it is not a new "class" MB, just a lengthened ML. I bet 3-across seating in the 2nd row is tight with nearly 7" less shoulder room to offer. And just think, you can have all this comfort for MORE money, what a deal.

Its got two lockers, wow cool. It also has high performance road tires, and for a car with no running boards its only .2 of an inch taller. Now if i were to take my running boards off i bet my ground clearance would be better. Austin over at Titantalk also said that a detroit LSD with the Nissan ABLS works as good as a locker off road without the practicality issues onroad. The GL is tiny too

-Son of SQS

Its got two lockers, wow cool. It also has high performance road tires, and for a car with no running boards its only .2 of an inch taller. Now if i were to take my running boards off i bet my ground clearance would be better.

More misinformation?

I'm pretty sure that my QX has around 9.9 inches of ground clearance.

The GL450 sporting the off road package has 12 inches of ground clearance (and better approach and departure angles, plus locking diffs, downhill speed regulation, etc., etc. to boot).

That looks more like 2.1 inches (edit, 2.1 inches QX is 9.9 inches) more clearance, not .2.

p.s. These are high performance road tires? More confusion.

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2007/mercedes.benz.gl.450/07.mercedes..benz.gl.450.whl.500.jpg

Dunlop Grandtrek MT2 (http://www.dunloptyres.co.uk/ourTyres/4x4/searchResults/MT2/)

First off, you dont have a Qx56, your some dumbass troll. Second of all if you did have a Qx56 you would know that it has 10.7 inches of ground clearance(advertised and i measured) and the Gl has 10.9inches of ground clearance. THe stock michelins on the Gl look like road tires to me, those tires in the pic are probably aftermarket. I smell a tow off, ill bring the tow straps you bring your merc. ill ge some to video tape it. Lets see what your "almost" fullsize Suv can really do. IT maybe be a little bit more capable than the Qx but its soo narrow that you'll probably roll it.

-Son of SQS

First off, you dont have a Qx56, your some dumbass troll.

How odd. So because you're confused about the GL450 I don't own a QX? And because you're confused I'm a troll? That's doubly strange coming from someone who "owns" a QX by proxy (i.e. Daddy bought one).

Despite your fantasy, I do own a QX, hence my infrequent visits to this relatively dead forum.

Second of all if you did have a Qx56 you would know that it has 10.7 inches of ground clearance(advertised and i measured)

Sorry, I've never felt goofy enough to go measure my ground clearance. I got that figure from multiple web sources.


and the Gl has 10.9inches of ground clearance.

Again, you're seriously misinformed/confused.

The GL450 with the off road package has 12 inches of ground clearance.

THe stock michelins on the Gl look like road tires to me, those tires in the pic are probably aftermarket.

No, the tires pictured are the stock tires that are delivered with the off road package.

I smell a tow off, ill bring the tow straps you bring your merc.

I don't own a merc or a Mercedes. Sorry.

Maybe once the V8 diesel makes it's way to the states I'll be tempted to sell the QX though.

Cheers.

More misinformation?

I'm pretty sure that my QX has around 9.9 inches of ground clearance.

The GL450 sporting the off road package has 12 inches of ground clearance (and better approach and departure angles, plus locking diffs, downhill speed regulation, etc., etc. to boot).

That looks more like 2.1 inches (edit, 2.1 inches QX is 9.9 inches) more clearance, not .2.

p.s. These are high performance road tires? More confusion.

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2007/mercedes.benz.gl.450/07.mercedes..benz.gl.450.whl.500.jpg

Dunlop Grandtrek MT2 (http://www.dunloptyres.co.uk/ourTyres/4x4/searchResults/MT2/)

And with it being so narrow and with all that ground clearance I bet it is real fun to 4wheel on side hills too! What the heck it's a MB, it must have air bags to protect you in a roll-over (it better have). Oh yeah, you might want to check you "facts" at the MB website
http://www.mbusa.com/models/main.do?modelCode=GL450
The ground clearance listed there is 7.9" - 10.9"
Just looked in my Armada sales brochure and it list the ground clearance at 9.86" - 10.69" - you need a new tape measure or maybe have your eyes checked.
And be ready to put the required premium fuel in too.

http://www.mbusa.com/models/main.do?modelCode=GL450

After checking out the MB website, I noticed they have a competition comparison page where you can select any vehicle among 18 manufacturers as long as it is not an Infiniti or a Nissan. Gee, hmmmm, I wonder why they were left off the list? They even have Buick and Hyundai on the list of choices, now there's a challenge the GL can handle.

FYI the GL off road package is quote (copy and paste)-

"2007 Packages
334 Off-Road Package
The GL-Class may be refined, but with an Adaptive Damping System (ADSII), two locking differentials, 2-speed transfer case, front/rear skid-plate protection and roof rail crossbars it proves it's not afraid to get dirty"

WOW! A 2 SPEED TRANSFER CASE TOO, WITH SKID PLATES! AND A ROOF RACK! Heck, what do you want for a crummy $2,200. No mention of "big tires" or extra clearance. I looked at all the 5 spoke wheel options and they ALL had low profile street rubber on them, nothing like the tire you have pictured.

I "built" GL on the website that is comparable to my Armada and it came in almost exactly 20k higher.

My wife looked at one yesterday. The Benz dealer was more impressed with My truck than the BIG Benz. No comparison for the price and expense.

"2007 Packages
334 Off-Road Package
The GL-Class may be refined, but with an Adaptive Damping System (ADSII), two locking differentials, 2-speed transfer case, front/rear skid-plate protection and roof rail crossbars it proves it's not afraid to get dirty"

WOW! A 2 SPEED TRANSFER CASE TOO, WITH SKID PLATES! AND A ROOF RACK! Heck, what do you want for a crummy $2,200. No mention of "big tires" or extra clearance. I looked at all the 5 spoke wheel options and they ALL had low profile street rubber on them, nothing like the tire you have pictured.

If you're willing to dig, there's a bunch of information available on the off road package, including the tire picture that I linked to. For example:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=109812#6

I "built" GL on the website that is comparable to my Armada and it came in almost exactly 20k higher.

That's still a great deal compared to your claim that the GLs were starting at $94k!

If you're willing to dig, there's a bunch of information available on the off road package, including the tire picture that I linked to. For example:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=109812#6



That's still a great deal compared to your claim that the GLs were starting at $94k!


The price was just what I had read on early reports the internet, maybe its for a diesel? But the bottom line for me is the GL has less interior room and less towing capacity, which are the primary reasons I have a SUV in the first place. Why would I want less of each and pay more? The GL would not be able to handle my toybox or carry my family in the roominess of the Armada. The GL is out of its league when compared to the QX56/Armada and MB knows it, that's most likely why the comparison is not available on their website, they simply cannot match the value the Nissan offers.

BTW that link you posted states:
"But the optional package's height-adjustable suspension (up to 11 inches of ground clearance) and reduction gears were predictably effective for traversing muddy hillsides and steep-banked streams. "

I think the GL450 used for the Edmunds was a ringer because between what is stated on the official MB website and this EBAY auction for a new GL450 with the "rare" off road package, both show low street rubber with no mention of the tires in the Edmunds pictures.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2007-GL450-Rare-OFF-ROAD-PKG-LOADED-MSRP_W0QQitemZ4633514783QQcategoryZ31854QQcmdZView Item

Just noticed something else and I cannot believe it. A vehicle in the price range of the MB GL450 comes standard with vinyl upholstery? Leather is optional? You have to be joking! And after more scrutiny, there is more like a $25k difference between my Armada and a comparable GL. The closer I look the more warts the GL has. I'll save my $25k and buy a Miata or the like for spare car and economical open air fun and still tow the load when I need to with my Armada.

Talking about performance with cadillac check the Armada spec not much difference for a 403 HP and a 7700 Lbs towing max,Huh,big deal!!! http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/new-cars/consumer-reports-fuel-economy-vs-performance-106/index.htm http://www.trucktrend.com/roadtests/suv/163_0312_2004_nissan_pathfinder_armada/

BTW, the GL has an air suspension with an off-road mode that raises it 80mm or 3 1/4 inches higher for off road use. This is where the discrepancy for off road clearance comes into play. In the Off road mode, it is 12". I have seen both 11" and 12" both on review sites. The 12" was on a British site. MB's crappy website is down. Regardless, Its doing the air bag trick the Cayenne does. Doesn't mean I'd want it though. Tow cap and interior room rule it out before I even worry about the slower acceleration, higher price, reliability, etc.