Many of us have had good results advancing the initial timing by 2 degrees. Listed below is the procedure to make the advance, using the Consult 2. You will need a Nissan dealer to do this. You should print out the procedure and take it with you to the dealer.


Warm up vehicle.
On CONSULT 2 screen choose ENGINE
After communication with Convertor will display a bunch of choices.
Press WORK SUPPORT
See more choices, press TARGET IGN TIMING
Press UP x2 for 2 degrees, correction which you should be able to see.
Press UPDATE.
Now press BACK
On the menu screen find IDLE AIR VOL LEARN.
Press, and perform to correct your idle since you just raised it 75rpm with timing advance.

I've always advanced my timing in my cars and have gotten hp, 0-60, and 1/4 mile time gains. The only disadvantage is that you need to use higher octane fuel to eliminate the knock you get by advancing the timing.
I haven't tried this with Armada yet.

SCR38, did you get any knock after advancing the timing? Did you also get increased performance?

I'll speak for myself and say no. Performance increase...I can't say as that I've really noticed, it may of knocked a tenth off my 0-60.

I've always advanced my timing in my cars and have gotten hp, 0-60, and 1/4 mile time gains. The only disadvantage is that you need to use higher octane fuel to eliminate the knock you get by advancing the timing.
I haven't tried this with Armada yet.

SCR38, did you get any knock after advancing the timing? Did you also get increased performance?
No need to use anything other than 87 octane. You will not get any knock. The advance eliminated the off line bog, and reduced my 0-60 and 1/4 times.

Good info but I am not sure if the dealer would willing to do it without a charge. Besides, the service advisor might ask why you want to do it and threaten to void the warranty and yadda, yadda, yadda ....

Just a thought.

Good info but I am not sure if the dealer would willing to do it without a charge. Besides, the service advisor might ask why you want to do it and threaten to void the warranty and yadda, yadda, yadda ....

Just a thought.
The dealer may not do it, and if he does there will be a charge for doing it. (unless you know someone). Most dealers get around $75.00-$85.00 to connect the Consult. There is no problem with the warranty, since the Consult won't let you do anything that is outside the design limits of the engine.
I had my advance done when I had the A/C TSB done. Since the Consult had to be used to do that I asked the tech to do the advance while he had the Consult connected. He did, with no charge.

scr38,
I have a 2005 armada and i live in Bahrain.our ecu in the middle east is not like the US ecu. I got the scangauge2 and it did not work with my ECU, so i had to return it back ( what a lost).anyway,,,, we have a 98 octane in Bahrain ( yes believe it and i love it).I have the volant combo and after 2 weeks i will get the stillen long tube headers with a custom exhust system.Do you think that i will need the 2 degree timing advance? what is the default timing you have in US?I will check with the dealer here and will let you know. I think our timing is not the same.
Thanx.

scr38,
I have a 2005 armada and i live in Bahrain.our ecu in the middle east is not like the US ecu. I got the scangauge2 and it did not work with my ECU, so i had to return it back ( what a lost).anyway,,,, we have a 98 octane in Bahrain ( yes believe it and i love it).I have the volant combo and after 2 weeks i will get the stillen long tube headers with a custom exhust system.Do you think that i will need the 2 degree timing advance? what is the default timing you have in US?I will check with the dealer here and will let you know. I think our timing is not the same.
Thanx.
I think the timing is the same. Factory timing is 15 degrees BTDC; plus or minus 1 degree. You won't have to get the timing advance, but it will help your performance.

scr38,
I will check with the dealer and if mine is on 15 degree then i will go for the 2 degree advance. can we go more than 2?it is limited to 17 degree?
Thank you

Two degrees advanced is all that will stick in the ECM. You can advance more than that with the Consult 2 connected, but it won't stay. My advance was at 16 degrees when they advanced it, so I now have the initial timing set at 18. Your initial may be 14-16 degrees; the two degree advance will add two degrees to whatever your's is.

scr38,
Thanx man,,,, I will let you know when i go to the dealer.
Thank you for the info.

Somebody told me the 2007 is already at 2 degrees advanced. Anybody know if this is true?

Somebody told me the 2007 is already at 2 degrees advanced. Anybody know if this is true?
Yep. That's how they increased the HP.

ive also heard the vvt they added to the engine also gave it a couple of horses also.

The 07 timing is not set at 17, but still at 15.
I did the advance on a 07 last weekend at the Houston meet (I did advances for 7 trucks there). The 07 was at 15, I moved it to 17.
Most of the 12 HP gain came from the VVT on the intake cam (and the necessary ECM program for it). There is a very slight change in the intake manifold and exhaust system that may have added to the gain.

scr38 Thanks a million!!! Found a Tech here that will do mine for $50.00, taking it in next week. This is AWESOME!!!

now that I'm Educated, I will hit my dealer up to get mine done this week, my Mada is an 05 and I remembered when I bought it I looked at the QX56 as well and major engine diff was Mada 305 HP and QX 315...You think that is due to the advance being standard on the QX??

The 2 degrees timing advanced is the best mod you can get for almost nothing. Those who haven't gotten it done, should. It is an awesome mod.

What's the estimated HP gain doing the 2 degree advance? Will my fuel mileage drop? How bout pinging, will I need to use higher octane? My shoes squeak any easy fix? lol

What's the estimated HP gain doing the 2 degree advance?

Can't really say. The dyno shows a increase, but we can't get readings below about 3,500 RPM. There is where the most gain comes in.

Will my fuel mileage drop?

If you keep your foot in the throttle enjoying the new performance it will drop. Drive like you usually do and there won't be a drop, maybe even a slight gain.

How bout pinging, will I need to use higher octane?

You can still use 87 octane. No pinging.

My shoes squeak any easy fix?

Yeah, take them off!

What's the estimated HP gain doing the 2 degree advance?

Can't really say. The dyno shows a increase, but we can't get readings below about 3,500 RPM. There is where the most gain comes in.

Will my fuel mileage drop?

If you keep your foot in the throttle enjoying the new performance it will drop. Drive like you usually do and there won't be a drop, maybe even a slight gain.

How bout pinging, will I need to use higher octane?

You can still use 87 octane. No pinging.

My shoes squeak any easy fix?

Yeah, take them off!


One more scr38

Does it affect the warranty?

No, it does not. :)

One more scr38

Does it affect the warranty?

No, it does not. :)
Now we just need to get every nissan Dealer to read this thread!!;)

My mileage has been a little worse with the 2 degree advance done but it was only because I've stepping on it more. With the new found power, you can't help but have a lead foot. It's quicker off the line. Normal driving will get you the same mileage your getting.

One of the reasons it does not affect your warranty is because it's within the parameters of the Consult II, if not, the Consult II wouldn't allow the advance... it would kick it out, and of course, Nissan Dealerships wouldn't do it.

Is this mod can only be done by Nissan dealers?

Is this mod can only be done by Nissan dealers?

Not necessary the nissan dealer, If you know someone who has the consult II, then they can do it for you.

Those that own the Cipher software can also do it.

Now we just need to get every nissan Dealer to read this thread!!;)

Printed it and took it to mine and just finished getting it done.

Scr38 you're DA' MAN!!! :udaman: I cannot thank you enough for this post!!

Hey Madaheads:051: ;
I got my timing advance done last week and I definitely feel the difference! On my way home, a Dodge crew cab hemi kept blasting off at every stoplight. Soooo, I thought, let's see what we have here. At the next stoplight I floored the mada, and off we went. I started pulling ahead after about a 16th of a mile and after an eight, the hemi begged off. I LOVE MY TRUCK!!!! I highly reccommend this mod!

So if im not into block to block off the line racing and sort of a freeway man, I shouldnt do this 2 degree mod??

So if im not into block to block off the line racing and sort of a freeway man, I shouldnt do this 2 degree mod??
That's really your call. It's cheap enough and I've noticed that I'm pressing less on the gas to accelerate but I have not seen much improvement in MPG's yet. It might be worth your while to check this thread out though since you're on the freeway alot:
http://www.clubarmada.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6290

So all you need is friend who has the consultII. That's all. Do those smog guys carry them? Who does the mechanics?

So all you need is friend who has the consultII. That's all. Do those smog guys carry them? Who does the mechanics?
Consult system is about $7K. So probably just the dealer. Cipher software can do timing advance and is a data logger and cost $400.:D

I just had my 2° Timing Advance done today. Some folks say they cannot tell the difference. I can. Wow, what a difference. Faster on take off for sure and absolutely no hesitation on acceleration at any speed with less pressure on the accelerator. I am digging it!

My truck is even Sexier now!
Yeah Baby!
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My truck is even Sexier now!
Yeah Baby!
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LOL! I love this expression of how you feel :p. I'm envious I want to have this done but I can't find anybody in San Diego to do it. Great mod BlackSpyda!

LOL! I love this expression of how you feel :p. I'm envious I want to have this done but I can't find anybody in San Diego to do it. Great mod BlackSpyda!
Thanks. I got a few more mods done over the past two weeks. I added them in my gallery list and will post pics some time this weekend!

who around houston area can do this for a lowly guy?!

who around houston area can do this for a lowly guy?!
If nothing else a dealer. Print of the directions and bring them along. Mine did it for $90.

Yep. That's how they increased the HP.

Blak, does this mean, that advancing an 07 is useless?

If nothing else a dealer. Print of the directions and bring them along. Mine did it for $90.

Which dealership did you get it done at?

Blak, does this mean, that advancing an 07 is useless?
Not at all.... Scr38 advanced an '07 so it should be possible:
The 07 timing is not set at 17, but still at 15.
I did the advance on a 07 last weekend at the Houston meet (I did advances for 7 trucks there). The 07 was at 15, I moved it to 17.
Most of the 12 HP gain came from the VVT on the intake cam (and the necessary ECM program for it). There is a very slight change in the intake manifold and exhaust system that may have added to the gain.

Welcome to the club jo3y1nf4nt3!

Blak, does this mean, that advancing an 07 is useless?
Like Pops said, definitely not useless. I think my vehicle runs more efficient too. I have notable improvement in the mileage.

who around houston area can do this for a lowly guy?!
If the dealerships won't, maybe you could bribe scr38. :D

If I was buying one new now I'd have the dealer advance it before I took possession.

If I was buying one new now I'd have the dealer advance it before I took possession.

Which dealer in Orlando advanced yours?

Which dealer in Orlando advanced yours?
Tommy aka Thrust_Titan usually does it for free at the Orlando meet. Maybe you can contact him to see how much he charged if any outside of meets.

Does anyone know where i can get a 2 degree advance in Edmonton or Calgary, Alberta, Canada

do you lose the 2° Timing if the battery is disconnected

do you lose the 2° Timing if the battery is disconnected
No, it's written into the EPROM section of the ECU. Can only be change with the right device hook up to the ECU.

That’s what I thought. That was the reason my local dealers (Tucson, AZ) won’t do it. Plus they say you won’t get any gains from doing it. Anybody up in phoenix have any luck in getting it done?

That’s what I thought. That was the reason my local dealers (Tucson, AZ) won’t do it. Plus they say you won’t get any gains from doing it. Anybody up in phoenix have any luck in getting it done?

Yeah I got it done here in Peoria, pm me if you want it done. You can get it done at Peoria Nissan for about $40.00. Let me know.

Im not liking it much, its like the same power as disconnecting a o2 senser in a obd 1 car and takes the same amount of gas. Too much gas for a small mod is what Im saying.

Im not liking it much, its like the same power as disconnecting a o2 senser in a obd 1 car and takes the same amount of gas. Too much gas for a small mod is what Im saying.
My milage stayed the same. Actually my milage still the same with Up Rev tuned.

Yeah, stlll the same untill you floor it, then watch the gas drop dramatically. Depending on your foot, I floor it maybe three times a day less than a 1/8 of a mile of hauling butt. I put 50 bucks in her every three days. You sir have a lighter vehicle, the Mada is around 5-6 hundred pounds heavier than a two wheel drive titan.

ok, did I miss the instructions for this mod?? I am trying to think of a way to have the dealership do this if I use the excuse, I am getting crappy gas mileage... But I have an 04 and get 18 avg and I have almost 78,000 on it.
Or is there someone up north here by Erie, PA that can do the mod??

ok, did I miss the instructions for this mod??
The instructions are in the first post in this thread.

how long does this take a dealer to do?

how long does this take a dealer to do?
Ten minutes.

So $90 for ten minutes of work. Is the investment really that satisfying?

So $90 for ten minutes of work. Is the investment really that satisfying?
People get this done for anywhere from free to $120. TO be honest at $90 it's still one of the best bang for the buck mod you can do.
IMHO this should be about a $40 charge from any dealer.:D

People don't seem to mind spending $250-300 for a CAI. The advance will give as much real performance gain.
The Consult unit that the dealer uses to do the advance cost $6,000.00. Most dealers charge a minimum of one hour shop time to connect the Consult.

If I average going through my 28 gallon tank to 7 days, that's using about 4 gallons of gas per day costing about $10 in gas per day at $2.50/gal. Since I'm still keeping my foot light on the pedal, I've gained an additional 1 day or 2 before needing fillup again since having the timing advance done. If I roughly figure that as a savings of about $10-$20 per week so it has payed for itself pretty quick.

That's just my experience, some others say that they have noticed no mpg gain but I know for a fact that I have because I am now able to wait longer than 7 days to refill and before 7 days was pushing it to the Low Fuel Light which I have not seen since.

OKay Pops, you made a very good point. Looks like Mr. R. Mada will be getting his 2 degree timing advance in the next few weeks when my schedule opens up.

Looks like I was a bit luckier than I thought. I got my timing advance done on Sunday 7/8/2007 thanks to Tommy. Now I'm part of the 2 degree timing advance crew.

Looks like I was a bit luckier than I thought. I got my timing advance done on Sunday 7/8/2007 thanks to Tommy. Now I'm part of the 2 degree timing advance crew.

So how do you like it? Have you noticed the difference? The tech who did mine said that it could take time due to the fact the computer is learning the new timing.:confused:

So how do you like it? Have you noticed the difference? The tech who did mine said that it could take time due to the fact the computer is learning the new timing.:confused:
I have noticed a few changes. Acceleration is definitely more effortless. I don't if this is a result of the two degree timing advance (could be the heat in FL), but I've noticed the engine fan roars quite a bit more like how SUVs of the past would do when the engine is cold. Its not a complaint just something different that I've noticed.

The engine fan is running more due to the outside temp, not the Timing Advance. Mine always roars quite a bit here in OKLA too when it's 90+ degrees outside, especially while running the A/C. It still runs less than the fans in my old Durango did, though.

The engine fan is running more due to the outside temp, not the Timing Advance. Mine always roars quite a bit here in OKLA too when it's 90+ degrees outside, especially while running the A/C. It still runs less than the fans in my old Durango did, though.
Yeah, I figured that was probably it. It sure gets hot down here. I'm loving the timing advance. Usually I would have had to fill up by now, but it looks like I can wait till Friday.

:thumbup: woooohoooo I am getting my 2* advance done this Sunday evening by Dr. Combustion (Fred) from the Titan forum outside of Pittsburgh!!

:thumbup: woooohoooo I am getting my 2* advance done this Sunday evening by Dr. Combustion (Fred) from the Titan forum outside of Pittsburgh!!
Awesome!!!! Let us know what you think after it's done. :D

thanks to you pops one of the guys over at titan hooked me up today with the advance. took him.. ohh... about 50 seconds! lol. he has the cipher software and did it for free. i have been trying to get this done since pops gave me a heads up about the list a couple weeks ago but with my mirror mod in the way i kept pushing it back.. but i can certainly feel the difference... bascially what crazyb02 states... acceleration is a no brainer for the car now and man i was hot doggin it on the way back home! :-) i had some rice burners trying to keep up with me with their coffee can exhaust muffler... haa... it was fun!

thanks to you pops one of the guys over at titan hooked me up today with the advance. took him.. ohh... about 50 seconds! lol. he has the cipher software and did it for free. i have been trying to get this done since pops gave me a heads up about the list a couple weeks ago but with my mirror mod in the way i kept pushing it back.. but i can certainly feel the difference... bascially what crazyb02 states... acceleration is a no brainer for the car now and man i was hot doggin it on the way back home! :-) i had some rice burners trying to keep up with me with their coffee can exhaust muffler... haa... it was fun!
ROFLMAO!! - That's awesome!!!! :thumbup:

coffee can exhaust muffler...
Hahahahahaha!

Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone knows if anone can do it near the Seattle area? After reading all the threads and replies I want to get it done!!!

Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone knows if anone can do it near the Seattle area? After reading all the threads and replies I want to get it done!!!
It looks like ksj from TT might be able to help you out. If not, go through the following thread because they mention several dealerships and I'm not sure which ones are close enough to you but it sounds like Performance Nissan in Lynnwood or KarMart Nissan in Burlington might be an option.

http://www.titantalk.com/forums/members/ksj.html

http://www.titantalk.com/forums/pacific-northwest-forum/46768-two-degree-advance.html

Thanks Pops!

Thanks Pops!
No prob, buddy!! ;) Just make sure to let us know how it goes. :D

Does anyone know which consult is used to advance the timing on the 08's? And are the directions the same?

Does anyone know which consult is used to advance the timing on the 08's? And are the directions the same?
The '08's require the Consult III and haven't found any instructions available yet. They may be the same.

So does that mean for the time being theres no way to do the advance on the 08s?

Keith

So does that mean for the time being theres no way to do the advance on the 08s?

Keith
It can be done. It just requires the Consult III (which most dealers should have now) and someone who knows how to use it. You could just tell them you're running too sluggish while accelerating when pulling your Travel Trailer or something.

Here's one for reference if they ask.
http://www.mcclainsrv.com/searchengine/Details.aspx?diid=1107065&bvdid=15461&type=N&indid=3&sortCol=Length&sortDir=DESC&Category=Travel+Trailer

Anyonw know of a dealer in the socal area that has done the advance before?


THanks

does anybody know if stillen does this mod?

wow..very interesting...so umm...who in dfw, tx does this besides the dealer? anyone? :D

in Socal superior Nissan la puente

wow..very interesting...so umm...who in dfw, tx does this besides the dealer? anyone? :D
Look at the list here:
http://www.clubarmada.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10343

Is this + 2 or - 2??? thanks

It is +2 degrees.

Advance meaning +

Thanks so much....

wow!! i can't wait to have it on my 08 LE tomorrow after an oil change at my dealer..hope my dealer also does this mods..btw im here in long island,new york...thanks for the infos guys!!!

done it with my dealer today but before the dealer did it, the service advisor asked me whats my reason why i want it. warned me that if any engine failure happens resulting to that advance ignition timing they'll gonna void my warranty.they still did it on my 'mada for 60 bucks. the result is great! better low end and more torque..just a tap on the accelerator pedal and it will send the rear wheel to spin up with the VDC off..i'll just gonna be a little bit easy on the pedal now if its not necessary to accelerate ..im still observing my gas mileage as of now...wifey gets mad saying the truck is a bit jerky to drive now hahahaha!!! i guess no more performance mod for me right now or i'll end up sleeping on the couch...yikes!

It doesn't void your warranty. The timing can only be adjusted within acceptable factory specs so it does not void the warranty.
:goodjob:

It doesn't void your warranty. The timing can only be adjusted within acceptable factory specs so it does not void the warranty.
:goodjob:
thats what i said to the service advisor Pops..he just doesn't know what 2degrees advance is so he called his manager to talk with me before they performed it..oh btw..i just floored it today on a slightly uphill start and i can feel the increase in torque, its more responsive now than before..(with a full tank of gas and wifey as my passenger,she's silent..maybe she now realize what it really is )my fuel economy doesn't change though..thanks for all your infos regarding it!

Ok so I have been reading hundreds of post and still cant figure out what exactly the 2 degree TA does. Please explain

Ok so I have been reading hundreds of post and still cant figure out what exactly the 2 degree TA does. Please explain

http://www.2degreeadvance.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_timing

So i'm into the dealership tomorrow for some minor stuff and i asked about getting the 2 degree timing advance done.The guy i spoke to said he wasn't too sure what could be done but said he's constantly on the phone with ppl in Toronto an that he'll look into it.I told him it can be done but i'll see tomorrow what happens.Question.He said they use Consult 3.Would the procedure still be the same as stated in this thread?

Allright, I went through all the posts! I cannot find anyone that has done this to the Q. I figure it can done, but has it been done from the factory since the Q requires premium fuel or is it something else they have done? I use regular gas and it drives just fine if I use premium gas I get slightly better mileage but not enough to offset the cost of premium here in Ontario Canada as premium here is $0.65 cents more on a gallon.

Your comments please!:bow:

Old post, but I've read through several and I also can't find a 'for sure' answer. Does it do any good to do the 2d TA on the QX56? I have an 08 QX and trying to decide between buying a tuner (Superchips probably) or just get the dealer to do a 2d TA.

So... does the QX come stock with advanced timing? I'd guess that's one way they get the extra HP out of it. If it's already factory at 17d, can it safely be advanced more? Don't want to do anything to damage the engine! And would the Consult III at the dealer allow it to be advanced more if it's already at 17d (if I decide to go the dealership route)?

The stock setting is 15 degrees BTDC. The Consult (and other devices) can make a maximum of 2 degrees advance, to 17 degrees. When the device is connected, the timing can be advanced to more than 2 degrees, but the maximum of 2 degrees is all that will "stick" when the device is disconnected.

SCR, just to be sure, that applies specifically to the QX56?