OK...I just received the new rotors in todays order. I will include pics and specs and give you all the info and cinjecture that I can muster. The new rotors will most likely NOT be put on until current stock of the OLD rotors has been exhausted. Some of you won't be happy, but in 3,000 miles when yours go bad again, you'll probably get them.
I will post the pictures and give you the specs of new rotors, old rotors and Powerslot rotors. Sorry, they're huge.

http://www.mossyperformance.com/rotor1.jpg
http://www.mossyperformance.com/rotor2.jpg

Thanks Greg!

Now I've heard a bunch of different stories so maybe you can shed additional light on this. Are all Armadas/Titans with the old brakes going to get a free replacement regardless of miles? Mine were turned at 6,000 miles and seem to be okay at 9,000 so far.

Thanks for the pictures Greg. They help clear up all the talk about the new rotors.
Since the total thickness and the diameter is the same the
carbotech pads we have should work fine on the new rotors - Right?

Thanks for the pictures Greg. They help clear up all the talk about the new rotors.
Since the total thickness and the diameter is the same the
carbotech pads we have should work fine on the new rotors - Right?

Correct!....

Thanks Greg!

Now I've heard a bunch of different stories so maybe you can shed additional light on this. Are all Armadas/Titans with the old brakes going to get a free replacement regardless of miles? Mine were turned at 6,000 miles and seem to be okay at 9,000 so far.
As far as I know they will warranty them if the problem persists. Up to the end of the warranty period I guess I should add.

Cool, good to know about the carbotechs.

Although I've noticed with the new pads they don't put off nearly as much dust, and I recall the Nissan guy telling me they changed the pad material in the new design. Heard anything on that?

Is this for the 2004's only or does it apply to the 2005's?

Cool, good to know about the carbotechs.

Although I've noticed with the new pads they don't put off nearly as much dust, and I recall the Nissan guy telling me they changed the pad material in the new design. Heard anything on that?
The part# of the pads is the same, I believe. They may have made a running change, but I wouldn't expect any major change. I believe it applies to any A60 or TA60 with this problem.

Thanks for posting the pictures. It really helps to clear up this discussion of 'bigger brakes'. Just wish the service folks locally would have coughed up the details vice just saying they're 'bigger brakes'.

Thanks for posting the pictures. It really helps to clear up this discussion of 'bigger brakes'. Just wish the service folks locally would have coughed up the details vice just saying they're 'bigger brakes'.
Honestly, they probably didn't know.

My Armada had the original brake fix done at 4000 miles and is still holding up great at 17,000 miles. I don't tow anything regularly though. My question is this. Even though I am not having any problems should I still have my dealership install the new brake setup? Are they required to if I am not having any problems? I plan on getting a boat in the next year and I don't want my warranty to expire and than start have brake problems. Will this be a fight with the service department?

My Armada had the original brake fix done at 4000 miles and is still holding up great at 17,000 miles. I don't tow anything regularly though. My question is this. Even though I am not having any problems should I still have my dealership install the new brake setup? Are they required to if I am not having any problems? I plan on getting a boat in the next year and I don't want my warranty to expire and than start have brake problems. Will this be a fight with the service department?
Seems to me they will do the fix if you complain. I doubt they are test driving all the affected vehicles. Still possible you will get the old rotors though.

Is this the Nissan fix we have been waiting for? Are these the new rotors? I take it then the rumors we heard about new calipers and rotors are false. I'm just trying to clairfy this. I had the fix done about three weeks ago. I got new pads and rotors and some carrier bolts. I thought this might be the band aid fix until the new TSB came out but now im not sure. So far since the fix my brakes have been ok (approx 2000 miles on them). The service manager at the Nissan dealer I go to is a buddy of mine and he told me this fix should last about 4000 miles then ill be back for the same problem. He told me that Nissan is working on it and it will be resolved. I hope so. Maytbe I should just break down and buy after market rotors now. :confused:

I wonder what the dealers will say if I roll up in 22" wheels? You think they will try to play it like the wheels caused the brakes to warp cause they aren't OEM?

I have an appointment to get my brakes done, yet again. This will be #4 in 9800 miles. When I called the service advisor regarding the "NEW" rotors, he said he had a pair and he would hold them for me, but he can't PROMISE I will get them. He told me that if there is still life in my existing rotors, then they will just resurface them. I told him that made NO SENSE to me and that if there is a so called permanent fix, then I should get the permanent fix. He said he will take a look and advise me at the visit. I already have a pending claim w/Nissan Consumer Affairs, so I called over to speak to MY rep, and she advised me that the PERMANENT fix is still in production and that the release should be within 1-2 months. She said that when the service advisor said new, he was not referring to the NEW FIX, but rather new existing rotors. (the same rotors that are currently on it, just new ones). She explained that anyone who says they have the new and permanent fix must have filed claims that may have gone into Arbitration or people who filed Lemon Law claims. She said that she was aware of a lot of test braking systems on Armadas and Titans. She said that engineering has finally approved a new system for sure. She said the new braking system will have bigger rotors that are slotted for cooling. So... for those of you that already have the new rotors... LUCKY YOU! I guess I should have *****ed a little more, and then maybe I would not have to be going back for the 4th time for just another bandaid. SO FRUSTRATING! They do not offer loaner cars, and they will not allow for me to put in my children's car seats in the courtesy car. So... either someone has to take off work to watch the kids, or I have to take 2 kids ages 3 & 5 to sit in the waiting area for 3 hours. It is a no win either way. I wonder if Nissan will compensate for all the time people have to take off work to deal with this. :( Ok.. .*****ing session over. Thanks for listening everyone! :)

Well...I haven't heard about the new slotted rotors. I received the new part # rotor, and documented the differences. There are some differences in the vents, but not what everyone has been alluding to and/or spreading rumors about. I honestly do NOT think there is going to be a fix with a larger diameter rotor and new calipers. Even if they went to a larger diameter, maybe they would only change the torque member and keep the same calipers. I still don't think that is happeneing. If it is, none of my sources can or will confirm it. I still think pad material has something to do with it, as well as maybe the metalurgy of the rotor. we have had great feedback from changing only the pads to the carbotechs, and have had no reoccurence of the judder problem yet. But that's a customer pay option, and obviously not extremely popular with the masses. With the few yes, but not the masses.

For me, filing on the lemon law in Texas got results. Nissan arbitration called and within a week I had the new rotors, calipers, pads, etc. No more brake issues.

Hang in there- Nissan will make it right. They even paid one of my car notes since my vehicle had been in the shop a total of 40+ days.

For me, filing on the lemon law in Texas got results. Nissan arbitration called and within a week I had the new rotors, calipers, pads, etc. No more brake issues.

Hang in there- Nissan will make it right. They even paid one of my car notes since my vehicle had been in the shop a total of 40+ days.

Do you know how much larger the new rotors and calipers are? I spoke with the service manager at my dealer and he told me his contacts are saying the fix is on the way but nothing else (big suprise). From what i'm reading I get that Nissan has some new rotors out but there is also a bigger brake kit in the works. I hope so, this brake issue is bull. :mad:

All of the new rotor info can be found here:

http://www.clubtitan.org/postlite1934-rotors.html

The calipers look way beefier than the old ones.

All of the new rotor info can be found here:

http://www.clubtitan.org/postlite1934-rotors.html

The calipers look way beefier than the old ones.

What new calipers? :confused:

I filed lemon law on my Armada a while back for the brakes, and Nissan sent me the as-yet unreleased "permanent fix" which included the thicker rotors and new calipers, pads, etc.

Took the Armada in for #4 brake complaint (at 9800 miles), and they resurfaced the rotors, gave me new brake pads, and also new calipers. They advised me that they updated the brake kit. I told them that when I had #3 resurfacing that they gave me the new brake kit. He said this is the NEWEST update. :confused: Anyway, I called over to Nissan Consumer Affairs again, to give them the update and I asked the representative once again to give me details on the "permanent brake fix". She stated that the rotors will be bigger and have ventalation slots. She also said that the new pads will be treated with a newer type of coating to reduce wear and dust. Who knows. Sometimes I feel like I know more than the Nissan consumer affairs representative. I already know more than the service department at my local delearship. This is frustrating. Hopefully, they will get a fix and get it soon. My husband is ready to get rid of it. I love the Armada. I just want it fixed. He totally feels that Nissan OWES him some sort of reinbursement for all the time he takes off work to get the vehicle serviced. I highly doubt that he will get any reinbursement. The Armada has been in service a total of 5 times (4 for brakes and one for radio). We always get the car back at the end of that day.

Actually, you absolutely can and should get reimbursement. Nissan just paid a note on mine because of the 40+ days it was out of service. Maybe y'all should check out the BBB arbitration option- I've read of a lot of people getting good results, and it's not the lemon law. (which is good because of all the red tape with state help - at least here in Texas)

It was amazing how much better my service experience got once they got the notification from the state that I was invoking a lemon law claim. I would imagine the BBB autoline would have similar results.

Sure, I love my Armada overall, but it has been in the shop more than every vehicle I have ever owned combined, multiplied by 10- I kid you not. I know it's a first year vehicle, but still.. lesson learned I guess. For the '05 owners (not sure if you guys have an '04 or '05) I think I'd probably be much more indignant with any issues.

Thanks Adjmcloon. I may just take your advice and go the BBB route. We have an '04 (Production Date May 04). I think that is great that Nissan paid your car note for one month. It is good to hear that they took some of the responsibility. I love our Armada as well. I do not want to get rid of it. I love driving it. I love the room. I love the power. I just hate the brakes. HA HA Hopefully, everything will get fixed, and we can all look back and laugh. :rolleyes:

Trust me, I feel you on the aggravation with the brakes (and rattles).

My Armada isn't perfect (don't think it will get there, either, but I can try!) but I have to say that when push came to shove Nissan went ahead and made it right. And in all honesty, a lot of people's frustration centers at their dealership. Lesson learned- when buying it really does matter how good the service department is.

I guess from a protection standpoint Nissan will play it close to the vest until someone takes real action. Their 800-number customer service sucks the big one as far as I'm concerned, but the arbitration guy was very friendly and helpful.

Is all of that a good thing? Who knows, but I guess to sum it up I think Nissan will make it right for you. And if they don't, there's always the BBB or worst case, lemon law.

Adjmcloon - Today, my rep from Nissan Consumer Affairs called back to see how the Armada was doing. I told her that at this point, the brakes are fine, since they just got resurfaced, but I still want to be contacted the minute I can get the new braking system installed. She claimed that I was on the list to get them installed first. I do not know how credible her word is, but that is what she said. I asked her about reinbursement for our time, and she stated that Nissan would be willing to work with us. She said that she can get us a few free oil changes. I told her we do not need that. I said that I was talking about monetary reinbursement for the time that my husband has been taking off work to take the Armada in. She advised that she would talk to her superior and call me back... so let's see. Free oil changes.... that was funny to me! :rolleyes:

I think in order to get any real offer from Nissan (like reimbursement for time) you'll probably have to do something with BBB or the lemon law, but I certainly hope otherwise for you.

Please keep us posted- in my experience when they say "I'll check with my superiors" that means "no", and honestly I'll be surprised if they even call you back within any reasonable time frame.

Of course, that's just my experience- maybe you'll do better. Keep us posted!

Adjmcloon

Oh I agree with you 100% that when they say they will talk to their superiors, that means that I will probably never hear back from them. I guess the BBB is the route to go if my husband wants any monetary reinbursement. I am intending to call the consumer affairs rep, in a week or so, to see if she has any new information regarding the brake fix. I figure if I continue to bug her, she will finally just want to get me off her back, and give me the fix. Thanks again for all your advice and support. We appreciate it and everyone in this forum! :) I will keep ya posted.

:mad:
Just spoke to my dealer about shaking in the steering wheel when braking (6,000 miles on truck). Said a bulletin just came out to replace the rotors the Armada. Also said had problems with homelink. Said Nissan is well known for having difficulty with homelinks.......the saga continues.