H2 Vs Armada offroad? [Archive] - Nissan Armada Forum: Armada & Infiniti QX56 Forums

: H2 Vs Armada offroad?


Qx_indulgence
04-02-2007, 04:19 PM
I've read several post on here and various titan forums saying that the h2 is just a tahoe underneath and it sucks offroad. i was wondering how it compares to our cars. i know its on a tahoe platform, weighs a bunch, and is huge. but it does have a locker n bfg's all around.

MCmada
04-02-2007, 04:55 PM
Well, Hummer as brand is very off-road oriented. But the Armada shares its platform with the Xterra and Pathfinder, two of the most repectable off-roading SUVs. It a close call.

502_Jimmy
04-02-2007, 05:40 PM
Well, Hummer as brand is very off-road oriented. But the Armada shares its platform with the Xterra and Pathfinder, two of the most repectable off-roading SUVs. It a close call.

No, the Armada shares platform with the Titan. Pathy and Xterra are two different, separate platforms.

I like my Armada, but the H2 would eat an Armada for lunch on the trail with its rear locker.

BlakSpyda
04-02-2007, 05:42 PM
H-2 is a POS. Only the H-1 would compete!

bmfsapper
04-02-2007, 05:46 PM
As much as dislike the H2 i have heard many great things about their offroad capability and believe they can outperform the Mada in overall offroad performance. But i do not know of any side by side camparison. I would love to see the mada kick the H2's butt. If you check out this video at about 1min 15 or so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01h2AQWjhho

But check out the nissan on this vid at about 5 min and the hummer breaking at 5 min and 30 sec.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4O-50Jm_Ts

This is an old vid just for people who want to know if a nissan can handle a little offroad action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC1CGCAb74w

And one more this one show an mada at the begining and an H2 at the end along with pathy. Hope it was not posted before

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31WoscUJAiA

bmfsapper
04-02-2007, 05:51 PM
H-2 is a POS. Only the H-1 would compete!

I don't think that there is a vehicle out there (stock) that can beat a stock H1. or my work vehicle.

well other than a tank.

Pops
04-02-2007, 06:02 PM
I don't think that there is a vehicle out there (stock) that can beat a stock H1. or my work vehicle.

well other than a tank.
And there won't be for awhile either. The H1's offroad ability and equipment versatility is a very tall standard to reach.

MCmada
04-02-2007, 06:39 PM
No, the Armada shares platform with the Titan. Pathy and Xterra are two different, separate platforms.

I like my Armada, but the H2 would eat an Armada for lunch on the trail with its rear locker.

I beg to differ. The Armada and QX are on the F-Alpha platform which underpins all of Nissans SUVs EXCEPT the Murano and FX. There are two differnt VARIENTS of it but it is the same general platform. They also all have some form of Nissan's VK OR VQ-series engine.

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_F-Alpha_platform

MCmada
04-02-2007, 06:47 PM
I don't think that there is a vehicle out there (stock) that can beat a stock H1. or my work vehicle.

well other than a tank.

Hummer discontinued the H1...thank god! All we need is more SUVs of that size on the road and struggling to get 8 mpg on the highway. Now that was a step in the right direction for GM. Plus it cost $130 and the interior was about as refined as a 1995 Hyundai Accent.

bmfsapper
04-02-2007, 07:11 PM
You are correct it was discontinued but there is still no stock vehicle that can beat it in raw off road capability and power (IMO) The one thing I am unsure of is the H1 Gas or diesel. Because a military Hummer gets about 200+ miles and only takes about 16 gals of diesel thats about 12.5 mpg. (never ran tank to empty or below 1/4 tank) on a vehicle that get the worst services done on it. Military Mechanics are not top of the line. Just about the same as the Mada. but the difference is was all on dirt trails hills and sand for my mil spec hummer.

MCmada
04-02-2007, 08:34 PM
You are correct it was discontinued but there is still no stock vehicle that can beat it in raw off road capability and power (IMO) The one thing I am unsure of is the H1 Gas or diesel. Because a military Hummer gets about 200+ miles and only takes about 16 gals of diesel thats about 12.5 mpg. (never ran tank to empty or below 1/4 tank) on a vehicle that get the worst services done on it. Military Mechanics are not top of the line. Just about the same as the Mada. but the difference is was all on dirt trails hills and sand for my mil spec hummer.

Twelve point five! Dang! Thats a lot higher than I thought!:eek:

eurohazard
04-02-2007, 08:48 PM
I beg to differ. The Armada and QX are on the F-Alpha platform which underpins all of Nissans SUVs EXCEPT the Murano and FX. There are two differnt VARIENTS of it but it is the same general platform. They also all have some form of Nissan's VK OR VQ-series engine.

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_F-Alpha_platform
MCmada, technically you're correct. The Armada shares the platform with Pathy and Xterra.......now (but only recently). But Pathfinder and Xterra earned offroad credibility when they were indepdant platforms, not only since the platform sharing began in 2005'ish.

I'd like to say too that the H2 is probably awesome offroad. Yes, it's "based" on the Tahoe, but it's not like that was a bad thing. The H2 has much better clearance and approach/departure angles.

The Armada for it to be fully effective offroad, will need to remove the front air dam, all mud flaps, and the running boards. It like the H2 has great clearance with thes items removed. The Armada seems to have little rear suspension travel, so the nod might go to the H2.

I personally feel the H1 is a joke of a road going vehicle. It's great as a military vehicle, but they are slow, cumbersome, and too wide for real roads. Plus it's massive width would be a hiderance on many real-world trails. Who would want to scratch the paint on a $100,000 H1? Now if you bought a military surplus one, then it's cool. For the record, I drive HMMWV's in the Air Force too, so I'm not just making this up.

MCmada
04-02-2007, 09:01 PM
MCmada, technically you're correct. The Armada shares the platform with Pathy and Xterra.......now (but only recently). But Pathfinder and Xterra earned offroad credibility when they were indepdant platforms, not only since the platform sharing began in 2005'ish.

I'd like to say too that the H2 is probably awesome offroad. Yes, it's "based" on the Tahoe, but it's not like that was a bad thing. The H2 has much better clearance and approach/departure angles.

The Armada for it to be fully effective offroad, will need to remove the front air dam, all mud flaps, and the running boards. It like the H2 has great clearance with thes items removed. The Armada seems to have little rear suspension travel, so the nod might go to the H2.

I personally feel the H1 is a joke of a road going vehicle. It's great as a military vehicle, but they are slow, cumbersome, and too wide for real roads. Plus it's massive width would be a hiderance on many real-world trails. Who would want to scratch the paint on a $100,000 H1? Now if you bought a military surplus one, then it's cool. For the record, I drive HMMWV's in the Air Force too, so I'm not just making this up.

Who would want to scratch $100,000 perfectly good dollars on an H1? (no offense to anyone)

Qx_indulgence
04-02-2007, 10:59 PM
isnt there something you can disconnect so you get more travel. the arb or sway bar or something.

eurohazard
04-02-2007, 11:38 PM
isnt there something you can disconnect so you get more travel. the arb or sway bar or something.
It's true that you can get more articulation by disconnecting the sway bars.......my honest opion is the Armada is still a bit weak in the rear travel. I had to lift my Armada to remove my rear tires, and I was quite surprised that I had clean spots on my control arms......that's when I noticed the control arm was hitting the bump stops.

Joe_c
04-03-2007, 12:08 AM
H1 in Dakar rally! it would'nt stand a chance unless is remodified to compete
H1 is really heavy and slow, its a tough vehicle made for military operation
awesome offroad machine but rally is a diffrent category.

92TripleBlack
04-03-2007, 12:14 AM
The front of the H2 is a 2500 and the rear is Tahoe. That being said, they come equipped factory with better off road stuff like ground clearance, agressive tires, and lockers. Ours could be modified to beat them, but stock for stock, it would probably beat us off road. Neither are true off road vehicles though. Jeep wrangler, the Jeep unlimited, H1, and Land rovers are about the only current production vehicles that are really built for moderate off road duty from the factory. ;)

92TripleBlack
04-03-2007, 12:16 AM
isnt there something you can disconnect so you get more travel. the arb or sway bar or something.
On solid axels this is true. This is why the Jeeps do so whell off road. The biggest complaint from Jeep Grand Cherokee buyers is that they dropped the solid axels which gave them great off road capabilty for independent suspension. They did this because the German Bean counters found they could sell more units to soccer moms if they rode on the road more comfortably. :rolleyes:

502_Jimmy
04-03-2007, 09:50 AM
I beg to differ. The Armada and QX are on the F-Alpha platform which underpins all of Nissans SUVs EXCEPT the Murano and FX. There are two differnt VARIENTS of it but it is the same general platform. They also all have some form of Nissan's VK OR VQ-series engine.

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_F-Alpha_platform


I stand corrected on that subject, my apologies.

502_Jimmy
04-03-2007, 10:34 AM
Yes, the Armada is 4wd (when equipped), but without any locker its pretty much not going anywhere once you lift a rear tire, even in 4wd. I've tried. My old 89 2WD GMC with a rear locker can go further (all the way up) up the same hill than my Armada.

Is the Armada a capable vehicle, yes. But could it compete (stock for stock) with an H2 in a "real" offroad (rocks, etc..) situtation, no.

Alot of people's definition of Offroad is widely different too.

This is my definition of OFFROAD.... :D In my 88 K5-
http://home.comcast.net/~john_hostinsky3rd/wsb/media/290036/site1052.jpg

jmorrow
04-04-2007, 06:39 PM
I do not own a h2, but have had the pleasure of spending time behind the wheel of a couple off road. I was very impressed. The weight is a problem, but sometimes the power makes up for it. The drawback with the locker on the h2 is that the computer will kick in and stop wheel spin at times when you need it. Hummer dealerships have to take their buyers on "outings" and at least a couple of these have to be off road. What is real funny is they make a donation to the local Land Rover club to help out as guides along the trails. They love showing off and pulling the h2s out when they get stuck!! Imagine the pucker factor of almost drowning a dealership owned h2!!!!! I was glad no one from the dealership was around!! I gave the land rover guys a good laugh!!

Pops
04-04-2007, 07:06 PM
I thought these clips are kinda cool.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1028141584&n=2

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/2A807520-7CCB-48E6-94FA-89D98FB6F2D2.htm

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1400611943