Would like to hear everyones decision on why Armada and not QX56 and vice-versa. I am on the fence right now and am leaning 80% Armada because of $$.

It all boiled down to the $$$ there was not enough difference in the QX56 vs the Armada LE to justify the 9K extra price tag. I ended up getting a 4x4 LE version minus the Nav and DVD for 36K vs. the 50K they wanted for a QX56.

I shopped the same on my Wifes Lexus.. the price diff between the Lexus LX470 and the Land Cruiser comparably equipped was only a few grand and the Lexus has a few more creature comforts that made it worth it to us.

Find a loaded with Nav/DVD Armada LE and other than the fake wood trim, the HID headlights and a few minor diffs inside they are identical. I did like the leather and seats in the QX56 better but not for 9K.

Ditto...Infiniti hasn't done enough to distinguish its product from the Armada. Take a look at the Ford Expedition/Lincoln Navigator. Quite a bit of difference in terms of creature comforts, look and ride.

In one of the major magazines (Motor Trend or some such), they tested luxury SUV's and hammered the Infiniti for no different than the Armada and much more expensive.

Thanks for the input. I have come to the same conclusions as you have. $9,xxx extra for the Infiniti but you really don't get that much difference in vehicles. Better warranty and service, with the Infiniti, but I have had great success with Nissan's in the past and haven't had to use the warranty that much.

Might also want to consider service costs, if you get serviced by the dealer. Doubt you will find oil changes for 19.95 at your Infiniti dealer. Of course, if you need to leave your car for a major service, your Nissan dealer probably won't have a loaner for you to use, either.

I chose the Armada, cause the front end of the Infiniti is fugly, in my opinion.

Keith

Don't make the assumption that Infiniti service is always better than Nissan service. I had a 2003 Pathfinder, and Nissan service really REALLY went the extra mile for me on more than one occaision. It wasn't just the dealer either - I had Nissan corporate calling me every time I took it in for service. They always wanted to know if I was satisfied with the dealer, did I have any problems, bla bla bla.

Believe me - Nissan service is amazing! My Armada is my third new Nissan, and I've had ZERO complaints!

And everyone's right - the QX is nice, but not for $9,000 more. $50k will buy a very nice Armada and .... a boat?!? ;)

Drew

I didn't make that assumption (that Infiniti Service was better). I stated that Infiniti service is more expensive, and that you usually did not get a loaner from Nissan, but could from Infiniti.

I ended up getting a 4x4 LE version minus the Nav and DVD for 36K vs. the 50K they wanted for a QX56.

Yep - same story here. Plus, there were very few QX56's to choose from on the lots.

Bill

Granted. the QX56 is more but IS more. We drove both extensively. The 56 is quieter due to double insulated glass and more interior insulation. The ride quality is close but if you drive both and really pay attention is is clear. The leather is better. The options are better...laser cruise control, the display, the head and fog lights. Are these things worth the price difference? Well, I've never bought a new car before and in the grand sceme of things, 10,000 dollars over 5 or 6 years isn't a whole lot more in my opinion. I own a q45 and the quality difference is clear. The Armada is close but the QX56 was better.
Brent

To me it is the looks. The front of the Armada suits my taste much better.

The other thing is that the Armada seems to be more for off roading at least in looks and the QX56 looks more primpy...if thats a word. We almost bought a Hummer just because I thought they looked cool but once inside one of those tanks, there is no room. If you have only 4 people, then it's ok. The other thing is that even at 40,000 dollars, are you really going to be taking your shinny new Armada through the woods. The answer is probably no. They are both (armada and QX56) awsome and a great deal for what you get. One is just a little more refined. But it comes at a price. Is it worth it? Time will tell. I really dont think you can go wrong with either.
Brent barrett

We really prefer the front end of the Armada. To us, the QX56 isn't special looking...

One difference I rarely see mentioned is that the QX56 uses premium fuel while the Armada uses regular. Probably not much of an issue to those who can afford either vehicle - but it does add up.

Bill

I have been looking and waiting for a good deal to come up for both the armada and the QX. I am struggling to find enough differences between the 2 models to justify the 9K difference. I may end up getting the armada since it has lower base price plus you can get better deals for it.

Also looking at the durango but i think the durango is actually slower than the armada.

I have a Titan not an Armada and I can tell you if the Armada is as fast as my Titan or very close to the same. A Durango wouldn't have a chance. I know.

It's a close race, but from the extensive reading I've done, the Armada's 0-60 is an avg. of 7.1s, the Titan is at 7.4, and I can't really recall the Durango 'cause I never really payed attention to 'em. I think it was pretty close, but I do know the Armada beat it by a few tenths of a second.. Always found that odd since the Durango is smaller and has the notorious 5.7L Hemi (completely overrated), and also an extra gear I think...

It's a close race, but from the extensive reading I've done, the Armada's 0-60 is an avg. of 7.1s, the Titan is at 7.4, and I can't really recall the Durango 'cause I never really payed attention to 'em. I think it was pretty close, but I do know the Armada beat it by a few tenths of a second.. Always found that odd since the Durango is smaller and has the notorious 5.7L Hemi (completely overrated), and also an extra gear I think...

i would think the 0-60 times would be reversed between the Titan and Armada due to weight differences.

I don't think the Hemi is overreated, it's just that the Endurance is underrated.

btw the Duhrango is a 5 speed auto also but from what I have read due to gearing it does make up speed by the 1/4 mile that it loses 0-60 when compared to the Armada

I would think the difference would be opposite as well. Maybe Nissan did a little tuning in the Armada (it's torque is rated higher, although I just figured that was for marketing).. sometimes it's hard to believe how fast these beasts are while driving 'em.

What's up Armadites? Consider this my introduction, but the topic is exactly what I am struggling with right now. I was dead set on an Armada, but I decided to check out the Q anyway. I still think I am going with the Armada, but I wanted clarification on the price difference. Can someone give me the MSRP's of similarly equiped vehicles. In other words, how does the price of an Armada LE w/ the Technology Pkg compare to the Infinity. I think Nav is standard on the Infinity, right?

BTW, my name is Greg, and i'm an Armadaholic!

What's up Armadites? Consider this my introduction, but the topic is exactly what I am struggling with right now. I was dead set on an Armada, but I decided to check out the Q anyway. I still think I am going with the Armada, but I wanted clarification on the price difference. Can someone give me the MSRP's of similarly equiped vehicles. In other words, how does the price of an Armada LE w/ the Technology Pkg compare to the Infinity. I think Nav is standard on the Infinity, right?

BTW, my name is Greg, and i'm an Armadaholic!


I went through this deal a few months back, and last saturday, i got a new 2005 smoke le with tech and dvd. To me, both vehicle are pretty much the same with the obvious differeces of an Infiniti badge vs Nissan Batch. The armada is several thoudsans less, and you can at least invoice for the armada as well. You save almost 9k by going with the armada vs QX56. And dont forget the 2% interest for the '05s

The other thing is that the Armada seems to be more for off roading at least in looks and the QX56 looks more primpy...if thats a word. We almost bought a Hummer just because I thought they looked cool but once inside one of those tanks, there is no room. If you have only 4 people, then it's ok. The other thing is that even at 40,000 dollars, are you really going to be taking your shinny new Armada through the woods. The answer is probably no. They are both (armada and QX56) awsome and a great deal for what you get. One is just a little more refined. But it comes at a price. Is it worth it? Time will tell. I really dont think you can go wrong with either.
Brent barrett

If you're looking at a completely loaded Armada LE at roughly $48K MSRP, you'd be well advised to look at the QX56 for only $3K+ more.

If you're looking for a squishier ride, pearl coat paint, chrome rims and a cream colored leather/birdseye maple interior trim combo, the QX56 is the only way to go.

Personally, I drive the most basic Armada 4X4 you can get. I liked the Hummer H2 when it came out, but I've concluded that its as slow as a slug, cramped for the size/bulk and not-all-that capable off road. It's kind of sad that the H2 actually has less ground clearance than the Armada. There isn't much behind Hummer's bloated reputation or their bloated vehicles.

Armada or QX56? Either way you're shopping the right manufacturer.

I did. I got an '05 LE with every option out the door for $46. Best I could do for the QX56 was $54. For $8k, I would have gotten, upgraded leather, wood dash(stick on ones just as good), clock, fender flares(I'll add these). different nose with HID(I like the armada nose better but want the HID), some extra sound deadening(which was improved on '05 and is quite adequate), chrome rims(I'm replacing them anyway) and the infinity oval. There is the "smart cruise" which shuts down the cruise if you get to close to the guy in front of you. Not sure why you couldn't SEE in front of you to do this unless you are always looking at kids or cell phones instead of driving. The "extra" 10 hp is due to using premium instead of regular gas. I put in the premium and get the extra hp. I've also heard the ride is softer. I wouldn't want that. I'd actually like a firmer ride because I like handling. End result, I went Armada and saved the $8K for other toys.

Might also want to consider service costs, if you get serviced by the dealer. Doubt you will find oil changes for 19.95 at your Infiniti dealer. Of course, if you need to leave your car for a major service, your Nissan dealer probably won't have a loaner for you to use, either.

I chose the Armada, cause the front end of the Infiniti is fugly, in my opinion.

Keith
I beg to differ..I work with Enterprise Rent-a-car and we are pretty much located in every dealership including nissan dealerships. and they do pay for a loaner car for you especially if it is a major service($200+). so as far as nissans go, i would go for the nissan if not for the fact that the price tag is lower but the service is getting elevated somewhat, not that it would compare to an infiniti warranty,especially if you own a nissan armada.

Ok... I heard it all and I have not been convinced. I have been reading and researching the Armada and QX56. The more I read the more I want to go get a Caddy Truck or Yukon Denali. I had made up my mind until I started reading about the brakes/rotors, noise, rattles and all the other problems discussed in this forum. Question: With all of these problems do you still feel that Armada was and is the right choice. PLEASE HELP! :confused:

Ok... I heard it all and I have not been convinced. I have been reading and researching the Armada and QX56. The more I read the more I want to go get a Caddy Truck or Yukon Denali. I had made up my mind until I started reading about the brakes/rotors, noise, rattles and all the other problems discussed in this forum. Question: With all of these problems do you still feel that Armada was and is the right choice. PLEASE HELP! :confused:

you think that you have problems with the armada...those problems are miniscule to that when you have a escalade or yukon...I used to work @ a rental car branch inside a cadillac dealership and the horror stories are worsz than what you are hearing now...I had one where a cst purchased a brand new, off the lot(10 miles on the sucker), spanking new $65000 escalade and was back in on monday having major work done on his engine..when I put him in a rental car, he requested I put him in something other than a cadillac. but then the decision is yours...also do keep in mind reliability and resale value...pathfinders have ALWAYS kept their resale value....

Ok... I heard it all and I have not been convinced. I have been reading and researching the Armada and QX56. The more I read the more I want to go get a Caddy Truck or Yukon Denali. I had made up my mind until I started reading about the brakes/rotors, noise, rattles and all the other problems discussed in this forum. Question: With all of these problems do you still feel that Armada was and is the right choice. PLEASE HELP! :confused:

Hmm, number one fix on Armada, new brake pads and/or rotors. (Replacement setup for perm fix now arriving at dealers)
Number one fix for Yukon/Tahoe/Escalade/etc. is blown head gaskets. Oil all over, possible wrecked motor, stranded, engine fire, etc. My buddy had his replaced by dealer 4 times.

Which would you rather have? :whip:

You should read the Escalade and Yukon boards. We ***** about brakes and rattles. Brakes are going to be replaced for free by Nissan. So we just got rattles now. And even fixes are starting to come out from Nissan for these.

checkout http://www.automotiveforums.com/f184.html for 911 problems with Yukons. The Escalades are even worse because there's more stuff stuck on the Yukon underneath, or it a a Tahoe, or ??

I have a co-worker that gives me sh*t about my "jap" Armada, but every night after work you should hear his new Suburban’s LOUD piston slap when he starts it. It sounds like a rod knock. Goes away when warm, but I could not stand to own a new truck that sounded like that! Our rattles are nothing compared to that. Even though he gives me a hard time, I am so embarrassed and sad for him owning (paying for) a POS I have a hard time railing him for it. He really is a good guy to work with.

Ok... I heard it all and I have not been convinced. I have been reading and researching the Armada and QX56. The more I read the more I want to go get a Caddy Truck or Yukon Denali. I had made up my mind until I started reading about the brakes/rotors, noise, rattles and all the other problems discussed in this forum. Question: With all of these problems do you still feel that Armada was and is the right choice. PLEASE HELP! :confused:

My Armada is my first non-GM product and I can honestly say I don't see myself going back any time soon. All I can say is that GM has cornered the market for interior rattles. The Endurance V8 is fundimentally smoother than any of GM's lumpy old pushrod motors - although Nissan intentionally went for a very loud exhaust note (which I really like). Similarly, Nissan decided to stress handling instead of a soggy, floaty ride. I can't speak to an issues regarding brakes/rotors, although I suspect that the Armada superb acceleration and handling encourage "over-enthusiastic" driving. You've just go to keep reminding yourself that this thing is an SUV, not a sport car!

I beg to differ..I work with Enterprise Rent-a-car and we are pretty much located in every dealership including nissan dealerships. and they do pay for a loaner car for you especially if it is a major service($200+). so as far as nissans go, i would go for the nissan if not for the fact that the price tag is lower but the service is getting elevated somewhat, not that it would compare to an infiniti warranty,especially if you own a nissan armada.

I need to get my Nissan's serviced at one of your dealerships! I bought the extended warranty for the Armada, so we get a rental if our truck stays overnight. But, for the Maxima, they look at me like I have two heads when I ask for a loaner!

Also, at the Infiniti dealer, they'll give you a I35 or G35 for a loaner. What do you get at Enterprise? A Focus, Neon, or similar.

Keith

I fell in love with the Armada the first time that I laid eyes on it. Once I found out that it was capable of towing 9100 lbs (4x4) that was it for me. I got the armada out the door for $41,345.00. That was with the $1500 incentive that they had. I have the fully loaded LE 4X4 with the Nav and the Technology package. I actually paid envoice price if you don't take the $1500 into consideration. I did look at the QX56, but the specs are just about the same, but the Armada was alot less cheaper. Yes, you can look at the QX56 for about $3K more, but it wont be the fully loaded one that's for sure.

we try to maintiain nissan vehicles for branches located in the nissan dealerships..NOw, the only difference is that MFG warranty will pay for a like or similar vehicle which means armada ---you get an armada or like vehicle. maxima--you get maxima/altima or like vehicle....extended warranty or dealership pay will only likely get you a focus, neon or possibly a sentra ...it is up to the renter to upgrade to larger vehicle (which means you have to pay the difference....

I just got my '05 Armada, Red Brawn/Graphite, fully loaded except for the tree pusher bar (didn't need it on I-4). I agree that the QX front seems a little "happy". The Armada is just tough. I ended up getting mine for less (not including warranty) than invoice with the rebate, even kickin in a little gravy for the dealer. With the QX there is still the Entertainment package you had to pay a couple grand for that wasn't standard. The wife wanted the QX, but I made a command decision.

Second issue is the quarter mile speed. Smokes the HEMI in 0-60 (about 1 second) and Quarter mile (almost 3 seconds) with 40 less horsepower. I'll try to find the link I saw the test on and post later. This beast is really fast (for a truck).

Enjoy your new ride. I would like to see those numbers against the Hemi. :boxing:

I just got my '05 Armada, Red Brawn/Graphite, fully loaded except for the tree pusher bar (didn't need it on I-4). I agree that the QX front seems a little "happy". The Armada is just tough. I ended up getting mine for less (not including warranty) than invoice with the rebate, even kickin in a little gravy for the dealer. With the QX there is still the Entertainment package you had to pay a couple grand for that wasn't standard. The wife wanted the QX, but I made a command decision.

Second issue is the quarter mile speed. Smokes the HEMI in 0-60 (about 1 second) and Quarter mile (almost 3 seconds) with 40 less horsepower. I'll try to find the link I saw the test on and post later. This beast is really fast (for a truck).
Hey, that makes two Red Brawn/Graphite/Loaded on I4 :teeth:
As for the times, I thought we were a 1/10 or so faster 0-60 and quarter over the Hemi on average, which would leave room for variation based on driver and specific car to make it a race. Those numbers sound more like vs. an f150. :hmm:

You are right, I got my trucks mixed up. The hemi is about 0.1 in the 0-60. But that still doesn't account for the extra 45 horses in the HEMI. They should be ashamed at the poor engineering.

I agree somewhat. The Armada shows, according to motor trend, a 0-60 of 7.1 and quarter of 15.3. The Durango is a 0-60 of 8 seconds and quarter of 15.8. http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/163_0406_full/index2.html

They also have the titan in SE crew cab trim doing 0-60 in 7.2 and the quarter in 15.3.
They list the Dodge 1500 Hemi at 6.8 and 15.1. But this is in a standard cab, not king or crew so it has a weight advantage.

Allowing for variation, they would be very close. HP is a misleading number. Torque is the push that makes a truck go. HP rating is torque at RPM for one specific point on the power curve. High RPM cars can have high HP numbers but be dogs. This is why an old GTO can usually clean the clock of a modern import. (EX. my vette rapes my G35)

Also, a car that has high torque numbers for a long range of the RPM band will do better than one that spikes in one specific spot on the band as it will pull harder longer. A good example of this is Jeep Grand Cherokees kicking the tails of Chevies with a rating of 50 more hp.

The real dog is the Durango and new Jeep Grand Cherokee. They weigh less and are smaller than the 1500 or the Armada/Titan, but they are signifigantly slower. This is where I feel Dodge missed the boat with the Hemi. They should have been hitting mid 6s and 14s with this combo and they aren't coming close. This is the slowest "fast" Grand yet. The '98 5.9 was 0-60 in 6 flat and did the quarter in 14.1. The 2004 Grand 4.7 HO was in the low 6s 0-60 and mid 14s quarter.

I think they need to see what's going on with the new motor. Maybe the plan was to up the power with the new 6.1 or maybe they will increase power with parts from the 6.1 going forward saying "this year, 50 more HP!" and so on.

I think thought the Armada/Titan vs. Dodge 1500 is a close battle. The HP number may be misleading but the Dodge does perform.

THe only thing I can add about the Hemi Durango (I owned an 04 limited before I got the Mada) is that yes, the MAda will beat it light to light, but beleive me, the Durango will smoke it on the road. This is the biggest difference I have noticed between the two of them other than the fact that the ride is much better in the Durango.

OH......this guy again ^ :thumbdown (kidding) ;)

Actually when my husband and I were looking for an SUV it was between the BEAST and the Durango. Durangos are nice looking and my husband said it drove pretty nice .......long story short.......I have an ARMADA. LOVE IT! Very pleased with our choice.

:crikey:

LOL .. if I hadn't reviewed the 1st post of this thread .. I would have had a whole different frame of mind w/the subject matter of "cross-shopping"

LOL .. when I got the Armada .. I didn't even know 'bout the QX56 ... and only have "just begun" to notice 'em on the road ..

I think I see .. for every 10 Titans, I spot 4 Armadas / 2 QX56s ...

THe only thing I can add about the Hemi Durango (I owned an 04 limited before I got the Mada) is that yes, the MAda will beat it light to light, but beleive me, the Durango will smoke it on the road. This is the biggest difference I have noticed between the two of them other than the fact that the ride is much better in the Durango.
Not sure of that. Durango is listed at 7.5 and 15.4. Both slower than the Armaada and Titan. However, 60-80 may be different. We have a prettly large dead spot before shifting that a new exhaust/intake should fix. With these it should smoke a Durango period, not just in 0-60 and quarter mile. As for the ride, get real tires and see how well it really rides. The stock ones stink. ;)

My wife and I just went through this process deciding on the QX or the Armada. We liked the QX, but for the few things you get on the QX, the $10k price difference is simply not worth it. At least not for us. We could not justify the cost, and we kind of liked the Armada styling better anyway. The ride and interior noise levels are not that much different. The interior appointments are not that much better. We can add wood and aftermarket HID. :whip:

Just wanted to add that you do get much more in the Qx56. You have heard the differences above which make a big difference so no need to repost. There are some other statements I would like to correct the first is that the Qx is sturdier off road if you take it off road due to the 3 skid plates vs the one on the Armada. The Leather is much nicer than the Armada. The 10 extra horsepower is due to the engine tunning and the premium fuel, not just the premium fuel ( so if you fill up your Armada with premium fuel you don't just get the 10 extra horsepower. Also the price difference is not that much difference I have a loaded 05 QX with a sticker of $55k and walked out the door with it at $48k.

Just wanted to add that you do get much more in the Qx56. You have heard the differences above which make a big difference so no need to repost. There are some other statements I would like to correct the first is that the Qx is sturdier off road if you take it off road due to the 3 skid plates vs the one on the Armada. The Leather is much nicer than the Armada. The 10 extra horsepower is due to the engine tunning and the premium fuel, not just the premium fuel ( so if you fill up your Armada with premium fuel you don't just get the 10 extra horsepower. Also the price difference is not that much difference I have a loaded 05 QX with a sticker of $55k and walked out the door with it at $48k.
Same Skid plates on Off road SE.
No extra HP. It is tested with premium. This is the ONLY difference.There is NO tuning difference straight from the guy who works the assemby line making both. Reset the ECU and fill the tank with premium in a Mada, its identical. Marketing only.

Leather is nicer. You get wood accents, HID, Heated second row seats, LED taillights, Smart cruise, and some chrome. That's it. If you got yours for $48, the LE loaded would probably be $41. My Infiniti guy wouldn't budge off the price and it ended up being more like $9k. ;)

BTW, welcome Mastro.

The 10 hp is not from tuning. They use the same programing, motor, etc. They are not virtually identical, they are identical. However, when Infiniti tested the QX56, they used premium. Nissan and Infiniti use an electronic knock sensor. So do most makers. However, they also can advance the timing electronically. If you put premium in the tank. the knock sensor will allow the ECU to advance the timing to match the higher octane gas, giving you the extra HP. I don't know of any other maker that does this.

Typically, putting premium into a car that runs on regular is a waste of money. Here, for the first time I know of, it isn't. Titan is also the same though they have a different exhaust than us so there may be a slight variance, but they test the same. You can put regular in your QX and be fine. If you aren't a speed freak, you might as well.

My G35 is the same way as is every other Nissan and Infiniti. If you read the Infiniti manuals, it will say you can use it but "you may experience some loss of performance". I put regular in there all the time. Probably for 40k of the 44k on the gauge.

Bottomline, its still a cool SUV. I was torn as I'm really a lover of the good leather, the blonde dash wood, and the HIDs so it was tough, but I bought a Jetski with the difference. ;)

I saw it coming Godfather :udaman:

THe only thing I can add about the Hemi Durango (I owned an 04 limited before I got the Mada) is that yes, the MAda will beat it light to light, but beleive me, the Durango will smoke it on the road. This is the biggest difference I have noticed between the two of them other than the fact that the ride is much better in the Durango.


Even when the front wheels fall off?

I registered just to set the record straight. 92tripleblack said:
The 10 hp is not from tuning. They use the same programing, motor, etc. They are not virtually identical, they are identical. However, when Infiniti tested the QX56, they used premium. Nissan and Infiniti use an electronic knock sensor. So do most makers. However, they also can advance the timing electronically. If you put premium in the tank. the knock sensor will allow the ECU to advance the timing to match the higher octane gas, giving you the extra HP.

The QX56 engine program is tuned for premium fuel. Armada and Titan are not. Its true that you can run regular fuel in a QX and it will run like an Armada. If you put premium in an Armada, its a waste because the engine will never advance timing enough to get the power. The only advantage you do get is from the knock sensors NOT retarding timing because of low octane. That means you'll be running at Armada max timing, but that will be LESS THAN QX's max timing.

If you've got an Armada, use regular unless you'll be driving in ambient conditions that might make your truck knock, such as high altitude and heat or both. Even then, you probably won't feel it!

Not trying to flame you 92... just getting the facts out.

I registered just to set the record straight. 92tripleblack said:
The 10 hp is not from tuning. They use the same programing, motor, etc. They are not virtually identical, they are identical. However, when Infiniti tested the QX56, they used premium. Nissan and Infiniti use an electronic knock sensor. So do most makers. However, they also can advance the timing electronically. If you put premium in the tank. the knock sensor will allow the ECU to advance the timing to match the higher octane gas, giving you the extra HP.

The QX56 engine program is tuned for premium fuel. Armada and Titan are not. Its true that you can run regular fuel in a QX and it will run like an Armada. If you put premium in an Armada, its a waste because the engine will never advance timing enough to get the power. The only advantage you do get is from the knock sensors NOT retarding timing because of low octane. That means you'll be running at Armada max timing, but that will be LESS THAN QX's max timing.

If you've got an Armada, use regular unless you'll be driving in ambient conditions that might make your truck knock, such as high altitude and heat or both. Even then, you probably won't feel it!

Not trying to flame you 92... just getting the facts out.
Conflicts with what I've heard. A guy on the assembly line was my info. Where are you getting this info? BTW, Scr38 had his timing advanced electronically at the dealer 2 degrees. Is this the advance you are talking about? Just going on the best source I have but if you can show I'm incorrect I'm fine with that. I just want to be correct, not "win". Thanks. :confused:

I heard over at titan talk the the compression is different. Wow, $48k when we went to go get ours the the price with tx was 59 or 60k. Bottomline they're both friggin awesome trucks.

I heard over at titan talk the the compression is different. Wow, $48k when we went to go get ours the the price with tx was 59 or 60k. Bottomline they're both friggin awesome trucks.
Compression is the same. They use the exact same motor from the same stock on the same line. That is incorrect. It would be a reason for higher octane, but in this case, it isn't. Its a timing difference. ;)

One of my oldest and best (dirt bike) buddies who was a dealer mechanic (computer/drive-ability problems) for +20 years and during which he went many years of engineering night school for his degree and now has worked for 5 years at Snap-On as a diagnostics development engineer. Snap-On actually has him go out and rent virtually every new model on the market and bring them back for diagnostic compatibility test, he has driven and tested the Armada and the Q. I asked him if he knew what made the 10HP difference between the Armada and the QX56, and according to him the only difference is in the sales brochure and every diagnostic variable between the two are identical in every way.

One of my oldest and best (dirt bike) buddies who was a dealer mechanic (computer/drive-ability problems) for +20 years and during which he went many years of engineering night school for his degree and now has worked for 5 years at Snap-On as a diagnostics development engineer. Snap-On actually has him go out and rent virtually every new model on the market and bring them back for diagnostic compatibility test, he has driven and tested the Armada and the Q. I asked him if he knew what made the 10HP difference between the Armada and the QX56, and according to him the only difference is in the sales brochure and every diagnostic variable between the two are identical in every way.
This is correct. The engines are identical, the ECMs are the same. You can use either 87 or 93 in either vehicle. The extra 10 HP is on paper.

This is correct. The engines are identical, the ECMs are the same. You can use either 87 or 93 in either vehicle. The extra 10 HP is on paper.
That's what I thought. That other guy posted that the knock sensor on the qx was set up to allow the timing to advance slightly more than on the Armada. I doubt it, but I don't dispute it. I'd like proof, because everything else I've heard is to the contrary. Off to the dealer to get my timing advanced. ;)

Well, if theres no hp difference than why are the 0-60 1/4 times different?

Well, if theres no hp difference than why are the 0-60 1/4 times different?
They aren't.
Go reference the regular/super threads. Actually, the QX is probably slower as it weighs a little more. The fastest would be the 4x2 '04 SE. ;)

go to the back of a motor trend magazine.(im looking at one right now) Qx56, 0-60 6.8 1/4 15.2@89.4. Nissan Pathfinder Armada, 0-60 7.1 1/4 15.3 2 88.6. Seriously i dont think fuel octane can make that much of a difference.

Sorry. Here are the QX and Armada times. In EVERY publication, the Armada was actually faster 0-60, including MotorTrend, which had conflicting times of 6.8 and 7.2. The difference in times is probably due to altitude, temp, humidity, etc. as well as slight differences between individual rides, but in every case, the QX was............slower.

Octane doesn't make the difference. Timing advance could. Octane just allows the computer to advance the timing, on either vehicle. ;)

QX=7.4
http://www.gtrides.com/qx56.html
http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2333a.shtml
QX=7.2
http://www.modernoffroader.com/infinitiqx56.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=7771&page_number=2
QX=6.8
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0407_heart/index10.html

Armada=7.0 (QX=7.2 same source)
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=7071&page_number=3
Armada=7.1 (QX=7.2 same source)
http://www.modernoffroader.com/nissanpathfinderarmada.html
Armada=7.0 (QX=7.4 same source)
http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2309.shtml
Armada=7.0, 7.1 (QX=6.8, 7.0 and 7.2, same source)
http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/suv/112_0312_suvofty/index3.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0403_suvs/index5.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0403_infiniti/index.html
http://www.motortrend.com/features/scenes/112_0412_suvotytesting/index10.html

BTW, I also determined why there was some confusion about the QX and compression ratios. MotorTrend reported before the QX was made that they had increased the compression ratio to 10:1, which they said accounted for the HP increase over Armada. But the production models came out at 9.8:1, which is what Armadas and Titans are rated at. It may very well be that a few prototypes had the 10:1 and were used for the higher rating. Who knows. But the final products have the same compression ratings.

Sorry. Here are the QX and Armada times. In EVERY publication, the Armada was actually faster 0-60, including MotorTrend, which had conflicting times of 6.8 and 7.2. The difference in times is probably due to altitude, temp, humidity, etc. as well as slight differences between individual rides, but in every case, the QX was............slower.

Octane doesn't make the difference. Timing advance could. Octane just allows the computer to advance the timing, on either vehicle. ;)

QX=7.4
http://www.gtrides.com/qx56.html
http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2333a.shtml
QX=7.2
http://www.modernoffroader.com/infinitiqx56.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=7771&page_number=2
QX=6.8
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0407_heart/index10.html

Armada=7.0 (QX=7.2 same source)
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=7071&page_number=3
Armada=7.1 (QX=7.2 same source)
http://www.modernoffroader.com/nissanpathfinderarmada.html
Armada=7.0 (QX=7.4 same source)
http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2309.shtml
Armada=7.0, 7.1 (QX=6.8, 7.0 and 7.2, same source)
http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/suv/112_0312_suvofty/index3.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0403_suvs/index5.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0403_infiniti/index.html
http://www.motortrend.com/features/scenes/112_0412_suvotytesting/index10.html

BTW, I also determined why there was some confusion about the QX and compression ratios. MotorTrend reported before the QX was made that they had increased the compression ratio to 10:1, which they said accounted for the HP increase over Armada. But the production models came out at 9.8:1, which is what Armadas and Titans are rated at. It may very well be that a few prototypes had the 10:1 and were used for the higher rating. Who knows. But the final products have the same compression ratings.

I'm too lazy to click the links but how can i get my compression up?

go to the back of a motor trend magazine.(im looking at one right now) Qx56, 0-60 6.8 1/4 15.2@89.4. Nissan Pathfinder Armada, 0-60 7.1 1/4 15.3 2 88.6. Seriously i dont think fuel octane can make that much of a difference.


Motor Trend? They have about as much automotive knowledge and credibility as Consumers Reports. Didn't Motor Trend pick the Pinto as a Car of the Year in 1979, Renault Alliance in 1983 ? MT has shown over the years that they are somewhat incompetent. I don't think they could time an egg.

I'm too lazy to click the links but how can i get my compression up?
Change your pistons. They will have to be custom made because I don't know anyone who is doing this. This is the only thing that can change your compression. ;)

PS
By advancing your timing, the spark in the cylinder starts earlier. Doesn't change the compression, but the timing of when during a stroke the piston fires. Here's a link that explains it pretty good.
http://www.team-integra.net/sections/articles/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=235

I'm too lazy to click the links but how can i get my compression up?
You could try shaving your heads (any and all) but it might play havoc with the cam chain tension (length), not to mention piston to valve interference (ouch).

Sorry guys, the engines are the same, but the ECU is NOT (actually, the program inside is different). Ask the Infiniti dealer to install the QX program for you. I bet they say no!

Compare a QX and an Armada. To be fair, the Armada should weigh the same as the QX, so you'll be adding weight. Race or dyno the 2 trucks with regular and premium. You should use your favorite ECU reset trick between runs.

Heck, with as many guys using OBD reading equipement, use that equipment to measure timing. You'll get more with the QX using premium than the Armada ever will.

Its not just paper.

Thanks for shedding some light on the topic. Just out of curiosity do you work for Nissan or Infiniti?

Sorry guys, the engines are the same, but the ECU is NOT (actually, the program inside is different). Ask the Infiniti dealer to install the QX program for you. I bet they say no!

Compare a QX and an Armada. To be fair, the Armada should weigh the same as the QX, so you'll be adding weight. Race or dyno the 2 trucks with regular and premium. You should use your favorite ECU reset trick between runs.

Heck, with as many guys using OBD reading equipement, use that equipment to measure timing. You'll get more with the QX using premium than the Armada ever will.

Its not just paper.
And you know this because..... Source? New to me. I'll ask the tech at my Infiniti dealer.

Sorry guys, the engines are the same, but the ECU is NOT (actually, the program inside is different). Ask the Infiniti dealer to install the QX program for you. I bet they say no!

Compare a QX and an Armada. To be fair, the Armada should weigh the same as the QX, so you'll be adding weight. Race or dyno the 2 trucks with regular and premium. You should use your favorite ECU reset trick between runs.

Heck, with as many guys using OBD reading equipement, use that equipment to measure timing. You'll get more with the QX using premium than the Armada ever will.

Its not just paper.

Not true, Wrong!!!

I was wondering the same thing Tb, i think he might be one of our "INSIDERS".

It's all about the $$$$s. That is a lot of money that you can use to customize or just get all of the options that you want. :noworries

One difference I rarely see mentioned is that the QX56 uses premium fuel while the Armada uses regular. Probably not much of an issue to those who can afford either vehicle - but it does add up.

Bill

Now wait a sec... is this true? I thought that they both had the same exact engine, but that the QX56 was tuned ***just a bit*** to eek out a couple extra horsepower.

Recommend two different fuels for the same engine?

(I'm going through this same thing right now, trying to decide Armada vs. QX56. Right now, the QX has a $3500 manufacturer-to-dealer incentive going on (that you should be able to take advantage of, especially with CarsDirect.com) but Armada doesn't have much.

my answer is simple, I love both Nissan and Infiniti, at the end of the day they are the same thing a NISSAN, but i went Armada, cuz I like the front look of Armada betrer than the QX56, I cant say it was bout money, cuz i have already put over 15K in my armada, so money was not the case, since mine is worth more than a QX56 at this time.

But it boils down to a mixture of taste and money if u wanna look at it that way... Cuz they are the same truck at the end of the day...

Now wait a sec... is this true? I thought that they both had the same exact engine, but that the QX56 was tuned ***just a bit*** to eek out a couple extra horsepower.

Recommend two different fuels for the same engine?

(I'm going through this same thing right now, trying to decide Armada vs. QX56. Right now, the QX has a $3500 manufacturer-to-dealer incentive going on (that you should be able to take advantage of, especially with CarsDirect.com) but Armada doesn't have much.
Armada is running $3000, and the local Nissan dealer will double incentives, so $6k. Bottom line, you should be able to get $1000 or so below factory invoce. The dealers get them for $500 less than that and usually won't part for them for less, regardless of rebates, etc. ;)

QX56 is very soft-but classy look, Mada has some sexy-tuff-curves you can't resist. My Mada is one hot babe>

I ended up choosing the QX56. To be honest, if I had made the purchase about a month ago, I may have gone with the Armada, as 2006 models were having big clearance rebates that put it well under the QX56, as usual. However, right now, all 2006 Armadas are gone, and only 2007 Armadas are available now with minimal/no rebates. In contrast, no 2007 QX56's are out yet, and Infiniti is having some huge incentives on the 2006 QX56. So, I got a 2006 QX56 for only a couple thousand more than I would have gotten a 2007 Armada.

In the end, for me, it just came down to all the little differences between the two that added up--the lumbar support, (this was big with my wife, who has back problems) bluetooth, extra quality leather seats, extra warranty, 2nd row heated seats, etc, etc. For us, it was worth it, and no remorse!

I just made this decision today and went with the Q. For me, about $9000 difference. I figure the warranty is worth a couple grand. I also figure that the resale when I decide to sell it will be worth more as an infiniti than as a Nissan, further reducing the difference. Nobody else has brought this up.

I went to KBB and tried to configure identical, loaded Q vs Armada and the 2004 Q had a private party resale value of $33,740 and the Armada's was $25,935. For 2005 the numbers were $38,355 for Q vs $29,220 for Armada.
These numbers would indicate that you will get most of the difference back when you sell your vehicle.

Of course, that's just an estimate, but that's a much bigger difference than I would have figured.

For us, we liked the differences enough to go with the Q.

Good luck with your decision,

Jeff

Well, I'll take over where you left off - I'm looking at picking up a USED SUV - possibly a 2004, 2005 Armada or QX56 as they can carry a decent load of cargo and tow a decent sized trailer (possibly 23-27').

We have a Honda Pilot but they really can't tow much beyond our current tent trailer. Unibody poses problems for equalizer hitches too!!! Cargo capacity is good close to that of the Armada and QX56 (unfortunately, inside all three are rather puny inside compared to our former Odyssey).

I've too have read many negative postings on reliability and they are a concern. Anyway my question is, what exactly were the differences (beyond cosmetics) between the A and the Q? (there are optioning differences too I suppose)

skid plates on both?
differentials the same?
heated seats on both? (I live in Canada)
air suspension on both?
why the regular vs premium fuel difference?

Any help you folks can give me would be greatly appreciated.

Note: I've owned a '87 Pathfinder SE V6 (great vehicle except for the stupid fake fuel injection and the fat tires and useless brushguards). I've also had a '90 4Runner (the 4Runner had to have the rear springs replaced after my wife and I returned from camping in Alaska and was incredibly gutless and sucked gas like mad on mountainous roads).

PS - I should have added that my father's accountant has an Armada and loves it - he's had no problems at all in the past two years.

And - while we'll likely keep our Pilot let me bash it a bit more - it has perforated leather seats - incredible - in an SUV!!! We bought leather so we could wipe the mud from our dogs off the seats. They were a Godsend in our Odyssey on several occasions (muddy dog feet, puking dogs, etc.) but we didn't even notice the perforated Pilot seats when we bought it - but wanted heated seats anyway. With all these holes - we have to put seat covers on the leather. It's a good vehicle but not really an SUV - more of a jacked up stationwagon like most of the other unibody vehicles.

Welcome Tatonka, good to have you, there are many different options on the Armada, you have to see what you want and how much you want to pay, and what year, my advise shop around and if you find one that you like let us know what the is the price, although you live in Canada, our Canadian members might be able to step in and chime on this. :cool:

Welcome to the club Tatonka, hope you find what you are looking for.

Welcome Tatonka, I just made my purchase and it was based on what I read here. You couldn't ask for a better bunch of folks.

I was debating the Q and A as well, I thought that to get everything I wanted, I might as well go with a base QX. There is only 1 Infiniti Dealer in my area, I stopped in several times, and they were going to be getting a shipment soon. Not soon enough, so I didn't get a chance to drive a Q, but I drove an Armada for a week when I got married. The wife and I were so impressed, we bought one. Anyway, drive them both, find the most miserable road you can, bumpy as all hell and feel the differance. In the end, do you care more about how it looks? or how it rides? I love my LE and plan on replacing it in 10 years.

My three cents, I made wifey buy her last vehicle(never heard the end of it) so once we decided on the Q or A, I told her to get whatever she wanted. We test them drove both within an hour of ea. other and beyond the obvious cosmetics, I feel there was no differnce between the two. If it bumped rattled or shook in one it did in the other. They say there should be a ride difference, I did not feel it, I sat in the back for both tests. We were stilling waiting for the the twins to arrive so we thought heavy on it, and decided to go with the mada LE with tech. dvd, sirius and every other possible option. Where we live it doesn't make sense to show off your affluence and the Q is very flashy in that respect. We bought a 120K warranty that covers everything w/zero deductible DVD nav. and all. The bottom line was we saved about $7K but got an 06 vs. an 05 Q, there wher a couple things we liked in the 06 like power folding mirrors(which I use alot)etc. I think in the end we made the right decision, as someone mentioned we do plan on keeping it for 10 years or so. Also, indeed the infiniti dealer will not change your oil for $20-, they get me $45 to changethe oil in my G35, so I takethat to my nissan dealer for basic services as well!!!! Either way you can't go wrong and maybe if we lived in CT or MA we would have bought the Q!!!

Congradulation on the coming twins, regardless what you chose Q or A, you made the right choice, I don't get to drive the Armada much, it's the wife ride, but she lets me do all the mods:D , welcome to CA.:cool:

The good news is that it sure sounds like the QX56 and Armada are near identical except for cosmetics and a couple creature comforts (I'm sure they are necessities for some people).

Do they both have identical suspension systems? (both air?) And looking through the windows of an Armada at a local lot (off hours), the third row seats were folded down but still seemed to take up a lot of valuable cargo space - can they be removed?

I also read somewhere that some have rear bucket seats and some apparently don't. I guess, I'll have to read further to differentiate the model levels. Basically, I'd like a model with 2nd row bucket seats (we miss our '02 Odyssey for those) and off road, towing and the other more rugged/sport options.

How are the seats? Good for long hauls? Our Hondas' have been very poor on that front.

The good news is that it sure sounds like the QX56 and Armada are near identical except for cosmetics and a couple creature comforts (I'm sure they are necessities for some people).

Do they both have identical suspension systems? (both air?) And looking through the windows of an Armada at a local lot (off hours), the third row seats were folded down but still seemed to take up a lot of valuable cargo space - can they be removed?

I also read somewhere that some have rear bucket seats and some apparently don't. I guess, I'll have to read further to differentiate the model levels. Basically, I'd like a model with 2nd row bucket seats (we miss our '02 Odyssey for those) and off road, towing and the other more rugged/sport options.

How are the seats? Good for long hauls? Our Hondas' have been very poor on that front.

Yes, some model comes with the second row captain seats, and a center console in the middle, some like them others prefer to gain an extra seat and have the 2nd row bench.

I spent some time searching the internet for comparisons of the QX56 to the Armada and compiled quite a list. Many are cosmetic (wood trim) and many are borderline/debatably functional (HP, LED ligths, more seat control, 3 vs 2 zone climate control) and some I would define as are purely functional (thicker glass, more insulation, extra year of warranty)

Here's one old link listing some of the differences - at the time (somewhat corrected on following pages)...
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef179cd/74 (http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef179cd/74)
#76 (http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX?14@@.ef179cd/75) of 612 QX56 vs Armada by ceric (javascript:popWindow('/WebX?viewUserProfile@@.ef179cd/75!vuserName=ceric');) Jan 28, 2004 (12:57 am)

Thicker Glass? that is the first I've heard of that difference? Insulation yes, but I truely could not hear or feel the difference!

Thicker glass, huhn? I just got my windshield replaced for a running crack from a rock strike. I don't think thicker glass would have made a difference other than it would not have run so far in such a short time.

I know the MDXs changed their glass from one year to the next - I believe it was between 2001 and 02 (I was reading up on them around that time but we opted for an Odyssey.) I can only guess at the purpose, possibly reduces overall road noise or maybe it solves some body rigidity / squeaking issue.

It's to reduce road noise. My Mom and Pop recently bought a new Lincoln Navigator and Lincoln braggs that it has the thickest windshield on the market. I eyeballed that dadgumned thing to be about 3/4in thick. The part that bothers me is that they went through that trouble then chinsed elsewhere where it's obvious the rubber seals around windows and doors will deteriorate faster than most. It's quite a bit quieter on windy days but I'd sure hate to have to get it repaired or replaced after getting stuck behind a dirty concrete or dump truck.

I have recently traded in my 04 LE 4X4 for a 06 QX56. I had many defects with the 04 and overall was very disapointed with it. After checking out the market for a large SUV the only option whicj met my needs was the QX 56 or the 07 Yukon. I chose the QX as it had an overall better feel and drivability vs. the Yukon. I did notice a huge difference between the 04 Armada and the 06 QX56 with respect to overall quality feel, build quality, ride and noise comfort etc. I'm very happy with the QX and would recommend that anyone unhappy with the quality feel of their 04-05 Armadas to try the QX. I hear that the 06 Armada is much better than the 04-05's but I couldnt find a new 06 or 07 to drive. I'm suing Nissan for the loss of use when the Armada was in the shop getting the 46 defects fixed, loss of enjoyment and loss of value.

Same here. The QX is nice but it lacks the attitude a Mada can only provide. And to me I can think of a lot more things to do with $10,000.00. To each their own... But for me its the Mada hands down.

My three cents, I made wifey buy her last vehicle(never heard the end of it) so once we decided on the Q or A, I told her to get whatever she wanted. We test them drove both within an hour of ea. other and beyond the obvious cosmetics, I feel there was no differnce between the two. If it bumped rattled or shook in one it did in the other. They say there should be a ride difference, I did not feel it, I sat in the back for both tests. We were stilling waiting for the the twins to arrive so we thought heavy on it, and decided to go with the mada LE with tech. dvd, sirius and every other possible option. Where we live it doesn't make sense to show off your affluence and the Q is very flashy in that respect. We bought a 120K warranty that covers everything w/zero deductible DVD nav. and all. The bottom line was we saved about $7K but got an 06 vs. an 05 Q, there wher a couple things we liked in the 06 like power folding mirrors(which I use alot)etc. I think in the end we made the right decision, as someone mentioned we do plan on keeping it for 10 years or so. Also, indeed the infiniti dealer will not change your oil for $20-, they get me $45 to changethe oil in my G35, so I takethat to my nissan dealer for basic services as well!!!! Either way you can't go wrong and maybe if we lived in CT or MA we would have bought the Q!!!
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Hey you live in a great state. I was born and raised there. I still have relatives there..

To me the Q resembled something old that was vying for attention so it thought the addition of chrome wells might get it some attention. The Armada has the look that gives it personality. The Q is for the old and frumpy, while the Armada is for the young and young at heart.

I'm wating for the QX to be updated. Then we'll see what we see. The first go around it didn't and still doesn't seem worth it to me as I don't like the wood, color choices, and don't care about smartcruise. ;)

I'm wating for the QX to be updated. Then we'll see what we see. The first go around it didn't and still doesn't seem worth it to me as I don't like the wood, color choices, and don't care about smartcruise. ;)
I hear ya! I like the QX56 and all too. But I tried that smart cruise on an M35, and was highly disappointed.

I hear ya! I like the QX56 and all too. But I tried that smart cruise on an M35, and was highly disappointed.
Not to mention they also set off my laser alert on my valentine One radar.

Anyone know when the 08' Qx56's are supposed to be in dealers. I heard mid April but still nothing. I WANNA TRADE UP.:mad:

Anyone know when the 08' Qx56's are supposed to be in dealers. I heard mid April but still nothing. I WANNA TRADE UP.:mad:

A dealership around here told me August but I'm not sure if they really knew when.

I am really surprised at all the hate (maybe not hate) towards the QX, all coming from Mada guys. What gives? In all honesty, the QX is better equipped, period. You can not argue with that, as it is a fact. I personally like the look of the QX better, that is why I purchased one. Couple that with better interior material, every option essentially stock (including skid plates) and you have a very, very nice package. (one that holds it resale value in comparison to over lux SUV's).

I dunno... beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say.. Maybe mine came equipped with rose colored glasses.

I don't think any of us "hate" the QX, we just didn't want to pay the extra money for it!

IMO

I am really surprised at all the hate (maybe not hate) towards the QX, all coming from Mada guys. What gives? In all honesty, the QX is better equipped, period........
You're definitely right, the QX is the plush of the plush. It's not hate, it's more like you can get almost as much in a fully loaded Armada for less $$$ and personally, I'd cringe if I broke anything that had to be replaced on a QX because there's quite a markup on replacement parts.

I'll tell you what I really like about the QX, is that it is one of the very few primo lux vehicles that you can still work on and fix yourself in the garage and it is still among the most reliable and dependable of the bunch.

I've dreaded everytime one of my brothers or my pop has called me to help them work on one of their Lexus', those things are a huge pain in the bumm.

my friend paid 48K for his qx. I paid 31.5K out the door on my mada SE after adding custom 2 tone leather and heated seats. I can't justify paying an extra 17K for basically the same truck. I love the qx--I like the front end even better than on my armada. But 17K difference will get me another new car. As much as I like the looks of the qx--it's just not worth the difference to me...

There is no doubt, in my opinion, that the Qx is the better of the two but when I purchased the Armada, already having a high payment on an 06' Lexus GS 300, I didn't want a hefty payment on a QX, so I went with the Armada and never regretted it. Now that my Armada is paid off, I will most likely get the new QX when I'm ready for a new ride.

I am really surprised at all the hate (maybe not hate) towards the QX, all coming from Mada guys. What gives? In all honesty, the QX is better equipped, period. You can not argue with that, as it is a fact. I personally like the look of the QX better, that is why I purchased one. Couple that with better interior material, every option essentially stock (including skid plates) and you have a very, very nice package. (one that holds it resale value in comparison to over lux SUV's).

I dunno... beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say.. Maybe mine came equipped with rose colored glasses.
Not hate. Many find the front of the QX polarizing. Some like, some don't. The Armada looks seem to be more universally appealing. That however is subjective. What isn't is you pay about $9k more for upgraded leather, wood, second row heated seats, HID lighs, smart cruise, some chrome, etc. over a fully equiped LE. That's about it. I didn't care about any of these except HID, which I put in for $250, so I saved $8750, which essentially bought me my jetski and trailer. ;)

I am really surprised at all the hate (maybe not hate) towards the QX, all coming from Mada guys. What gives? In all honesty, the QX is better equipped, period. You can not argue with that, as it is a fact. I personally like the look of the QX better, that is why I purchased one. Couple that with better interior material, every option essentially stock (including skid plates) and you have a very, very nice package. (one that holds it resale value in comparison to over lux SUV's).

I dunno... beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say.. Maybe mine came equipped with rose colored glasses.
No hate here either friend. I went to the Infiniti dealership and the Nissan dealership. The wife and I loved the QX56. Personally I don't care for the front end of the QX56, but everything else looks better on the outside on the QX56 over the Armada. (Note I painted my mud guards, air dam, and running boards to look more upscale).

The lady salesman at the Infiniti dealership kindly informed me that MSRP is "the price" to pay. The MSRP on the model we needed was ~$56,500. At the Nissan dealership, a 4x4 LE with Nav, DVD, tow pckg etc stickered at ~$48,900. Plus I got $8,000 knocked off (3k from Nissan and 5k from dealership). I also received many free goodies, and my trade in (Acura MDX with a large dent in the 1/4 panel) was worth a $5k credit. So overall, I paid about $35k for a loaded Armada.

As far as the interior. I found the leather seats to be superior in the Infiniti, and yet the Nissan's hides aren't too bad either. The dash, center console, door panels etc were all too familiar in the QX56 compared to the Armada. The only real difference was what is silver in the Armada, is wood in the infiniti.

Now don't get me wrong......when I see 3 Armadas at the light in town, I find myself wishing I pony'ed up the dough for a QX56 because they are way more rare.

Ok... I heard it all and I have not been convinced. I have been reading and researching the Armada and QX56. The more I read the more I want to go get a Caddy Truck or Yukon Denali. I had made up my mind until I started reading about the brakes/rotors, noise, rattles and all the other problems discussed in this forum. Question: With all of these problems do you still feel that Armada was and is the right choice. PLEASE HELP! :confused:

No matter which vehicle you choose, its bound to have at least a minor problem here and there. Every single vehicle is man made, and know we ain't perfect.

It's all good, sometimes I like to 'stir the pot' so to speak! :)

I actually recommended a Mada over a QX to my neighbor as he is WAY more budget concious than I am. We'll see if he makes the move.. He was looking at a <gulp> Durango.. I asked him if he'd like me to put up pink flamingos in my yard and leave the Christmas lights on all year long.. I said that is the same effect that having a Durango parked in your drive way will do to our home's resale value. :) Sorry Dodge guys, I just hate those things, they are like the trailer park cruising vehicle of the decade.

It's all good, sometimes I like to 'stir the pot' so to speak! :)

I actually recommended a Mada over a QX to my neighbor as he is WAY more budget concious than I am. We'll see if he makes the move.. He was looking at a <gulp> Durango.. I asked him if he'd like me to put up pink flamingos in my yard and leave the Christmas lights on all year long.. I said that is the same effect that having a Durango parked in your drive way will do to our home's resale value. :) Sorry Dodge guys, I just hate those things, they are like the trailer park cruising vehicle of the decade.
Funny stuff! Make sure he test drives a Durango in various lighting conditions. I had one as a rental and the dash speaker pods reflect HORRIBLY onto the windshield. It was the 1st thing I noticed from behind the wheel, and it pissed me off everytime I got in. lol Overall though, it was a decent ride! I don't quite like the size of it...........It's smaller than the Tahoe/Expedition/Armada competition, but it's bigger than a Pilot/MDX/Murano. Another good about the Durango is they are discounting big time...........But that leads right into the decreasing resale values! :D

Ok, I'll throw in my 2 cents. I went to suv.com AFTER I had bought my Olds Bravada (used) It really hurt to see that damn near EVERYONE that bought a 96 GM SUV had done rear ends, trans, engine issues, yearly brake jobs, etc, etc. I found this site before I bought my Mada, I saw a few early brake issues and that was about it. I don't remember what a squeek or rattle sounds like, I don't have any in my truck. The wife and I were absolutely set on getting a Suburban when it came time. It was by an interesting twist of events that we landed an Armada as a rental for a week, now we own one.

Drive the Caddy, I'm sure it's a great vehicle, find the bumpiest, loudest road you can find, don't do the dealers 5 minute idea of a test drive, take it out a beat it up a bit. Find a secluded are/parking lot, seat belts on of course, and from about 40MPH SLAM on the brakes, bring chalk and mark it, then do the same thing with a Mada/QX, you will be very impressed with the results. Don't get me wrong, I love Chevy's I still want one for a plow truck, but for ride quality, braking ability, resale value, reliability, and just piece of mind I had to go with a Nissan.

My cousin worked for GM, he told us about the trucks that are built in Mexico, to transport them between factorys, they are driven as frames and powertrains from one building to the next. This can be across town, at night, with no lights.

As for the Durango thread I saw. I like the old design much better. I have to wonder if Diamler did anything to help Dodge get rid of their cold. If you listen to a Dodge product, '92 and forward, as it is coming to a stop you will hear the transmission downshifting, but it sounds like a 5 year old kid with a cold, suckin' it in. I've always said that the Dodge interior designers were the best, you can sit in almost anything and the controls are at you fingertips or within easy reach, things made sense as far as layout goes. I just wish they were mechanically sound. I also wish they would make the cabin a LOT quieter.

I could probably go on for days, but I don't want to piss anyone off more than I may have. (ramble, ramble,ramble)

I tried to convince the wife to go the Armada route, however she loved the front end and extra touches on the Interior of the QX. I'm happy w/the decision... we don't see many QX's around here so it's nice having 2 cars that are a rarity.

armada or qx, looks similar when taking at a glance from the side view. personally i think the armada back looks better, but the qx front looks 'aggressive'. but hey, with a little touch up on the billet grille, that stock aggressive look goes away and hey!! the armada now has a good side view, back view and front. i would not spend 15k more on a car that is basically the same, its what your actually paying for is the name 'infiniti' thats it. me, i got the base model armada, cause after im done with it, it gonna look better then me spending 10k on interior only upgrades. the way to go is base model cars, cause i tend to aftermarket everything anyways. just my two cents on it. okay i pau now.

Shoots Bra, why you like give me stink eye? You like scrap, ya?
Personally, I don't care whether you get an armada or a QX... they're both very nice vehicles and anyone would be privileged to drive either one... for me, it was the front end and the little touches of detail that set us into the infinity mode. I like the fact that I have a stock vehicle that I don't have to mod out-we're happy with how it looks stock (w/22's of course) and we'll leave it at that.. and it still turns heads almost as much as my modded out spyder.

Folks - what do you think about all the non-cosmetic differences?

Are there any functional differences?? The only differences that I've noticed are all cosmetic.

In my post about #85 / 86? I have a link to the differences someone else compiled a while back. Their list included: extra insulation, thicker glass, type of headlight, triple door seals, something or other with the audio, etc. Plus, as you know, bunch of cosmetic differences.

So are the seats more comfortable in a QX56 or only dressed differently? Are the headlights superior or only for show...

My experience/thoughts - Extra insulation - I imagine simply undercoating an Armada might match the effect. Also, a couple layers of protective indoor-outdoor 3'x5' carpets had an amazing effect in our '02 Odyssey - killing a whole lot of road noise.

Headlights- we had a Millenia S (Nice car except incredibly poor seats and headlights. And compared to the Otto - this car had the good old American designed Millar Cycle engine) Unfortunately it had the fisheye lens headlights - cool looking but totally useless on country roads - had to drive with the highbeams on.

Leather seats - great if they aren't perforated - we accidentally let the wet muddy dogs jump into our Odyssey and simply wiped off the seats. They paid for themselves right then and there. Our Pilot has perforated leather - absolutely useless in an SUV - we have to treat them with kid gloves.