guys, i am pretty much done on the SE to LE mirror swap.. i just have one issue and thats getting the window switch wired properly to the motors that move the glass in the mirror (left right up down). everything else works, puddle, LED blinker, electric fold and DIMMING!!!! its awesome to see the outside mirrors dim when you turn on the ignition! i remember eurohazard saying he missed that on the BT mirrors and i can see why.. these mirrors are totally awesome!

but, as i said, i just have this one issue with the wiring to the directional motors on the mirrors. since the LEs have auto drive positioner (ADP) the mirror switch wiring does not go directly to the mirrors as they do on the SE.. they go to the ADP which is kind of like a mini BCM, then this "mini BCM" passes the connection to the motors in the mirrors. i have posted on the titan site asking if anyone can help and i attached some screen grabs of the key schematics so hopefully someone can lok at them and tell me how they should wire into the switch. the issue is there are only 3 leads on the motors but there are 4 leads going to them which has me confused...

the link is here:

http://www.clubtitan.org/forums/showthread.php?p=495954#post495954

if you guys can help out on this then i am SET. as i said, i got everything working on these mirrors save the directional part. once i figure this out i will go into detail about what you must do if anyone is interested.... but for now help me out! whats the saying.. "it takes a village to raise a child"
so come guys and gals... raise me!

Great job Bro. I've got no input for you, but I will keep looking around and if I find it, I will post in and/or PM you.

thx spyde, i am no electrical engineer so i know im missing something. im scouring the internet to see if i can find a generic diagram of how mirrors should connect with a 4 way switch... just not much luck thus far...

Seeing more of the full schematics would be easier to tell but from glancing at these, it looks like you could be down to the easy part. A switch is a switch and a motor is a motor so the harnesses and wire colors should be the only difference between the two. The ADP should just simply be a memory module that can be bypassed anyway.

The bottom line is that you are just going to splice the Up to Up, Down to Down, Right to Right, etc... for the Right and then Left side. "Gator Clamps" would probably be the easiest to use for splicing. The only tricky part will be finding the correct harness (which it sounds like you already have) then matching your SE wire color to the LE wire color on the mirror and it looks like you probably have the schematics to find the right colors. Just keep in mind that "B" is Black and "L" is Blue.

It's not much but I hope that helps a little.

pops didnt see your post but thank you..

i figured the ADP can be bypassed... it looks like its just a middle man. im hoping the power is in the directional switch and NOT from the ADP. but what is killing me is that there are four leads but the motors only have 3! so it seems two would need to be spliced together no? does this make sense as to what im trying to say? i know all the proper colors as to which control on the mirror, so im not worried about that. i just need to figure out how to get 4 leads to 3.. lol i figured this would be the easiest part but its been the longest and difficult! im almost there guys.. just a little more help...

pops what are "gator clamps"? you slip two wires into this plastic clip thing and squeeze a metal piece to connect to two together?

also , what other schematics do you need to see? i can show you whatever you need. as stated, everything is connected i just need to tidy up the wiring....

Here are a couple of different versions!

http://minikitz.com/store2/media/Gator_clips.jpg

http://www.pl-259.com/Gator%20Clips.JPG

not an expert here or anything but after playing long enough with rc cars and the such... an electric motor rotates in only one direction... and that direction is defined by the polarity of the electricity... if you have three comin gin and four going to the motor, i would assume this....

the motor only needs three inputs because it only needs to:
-move up/down
-move left/right
and a common wire

now you have to find if the common is positive or negative and the same with the other ones... there should be two of each polarity... so two should go toghether in the comon not all of these wires have power on them constantly, so after you fin the common wires, ( one should be negative and the other positive) those two go on to one lead then the other two would go to their own input...

i dunno if i confused you but basically it would have a positive and negative input in one lead (togheter) and then the other two on the two left inputs...this shoud all be controled by relays or switches as to there should be no danger of shorting anything since you have a neg and a positive goint to the same lead...

i am not an expert on this but this is just coming from me messing around with rc cars and stuff like that... maybe there is a relay in the middle ?? where the two leads are going to and depending the swithc you press it will allow neg or positive to get to the motor...

i hope i helped some ... great job on what you did...

pops what are "gator clamps"? you slip two wires into this plastic clip thing and squeeze a metal piece to connect to two together?



also , what other schematics do you need to see? i can show you whatever you need. as stated, everything is connected i just need to tidy up the wiring....
Those are Butt Connectors. I've been searching and cannot find the Gator Clamps anywhere. They are the connector that you use a Wire Tap to clamp onto the middle of a straight wire and then connect the other wire to it using a Quick Disconnect. Those work nice because you can easily move the wires from one to another but after looking, they may not be available anymore. Looks like either Quick Disconnects or Wire Taps would the only available options.

Quick Disconnect:
http://rsk.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pRS1C-2266750t98.jpg

Wire Tap:
http://rsk.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pRS1C-2266845t98.jpg


As for the 4 Wires -vs- 3 Wires, According to your diagrams, doesn't the 4th wire look like it just the "Neutral" or "Off" position?? If it is a Common like Mr. Lego said, it could just be a neg Ground wire too.

Diagrams that might help would be of the exact SE harness and the LE Mirror wires that you are working with. You said you have the colors figured out so is there a diagram specific to the parts that you're looking at??

BTW: AWESOME Job!!!! This is soooo Cool!!!!

Thanks for the updated info Pops. I was wonering how gator clamps were gonna work. Quick dis/connects is what you meant. :D

...but my 07 side mirorrs dim???? :confused:

Thanks for the updated info Pops. I was wonering how gator clamps were gonna work. Quick dis/connects is what you meant. :D
Sort of. There are some that clamp onto the middle of an existing wire like an alligator biting onto it then you connect only 1/2 of a Quick Disconnect to it. I have some that I used to tap for the power to my DVD. The local A/V guys here refer to them as Gator Clamps. I'm not much of an electrical person so I'm not sure what they're really called. If I take my center console apart again, I'll try to remember to snap some Pics.

I know what you are talking about now Pops. I have used them before also. They do bite into the existing wire insulation and tap in without breaking the wire.

Mr. lego and pops, spydee... thanks guys for the support.

OK.. mr. lego you dint confuse me as i understood the JIST of what your saying. the problem that i think is going to stop this is the fact that the LE switch does not have any relays or other components in it to assure this would work as it should. if you guys follow the link above to the titan site and look at the image for the non power folding mirrors and then the power folding ones, you see the switch on the power fold has nothing in it except the directional posts. no power or ground. the tech at the nissan up the street kinda made me confirm that. soooo... i have to order the Automatic Drive Positioner (ADP) because it seems the power and all electrical wizardry thats supposed to be in the switch is now in the ADP. soooo.... i just ordered this part.... 260 bucks! but im hopeful this should solve the solution.

sooo... this project is not for the faint at heart. connecting wires is not a big deal because you have the service manual to tell you what everything is.

in order to do this swap on an SE you must order the LE door harnesses, LE mirror switch. that alone cost me about $260 bux. harnesses were about 200 dollars and switch was about 40 or 50..maybe you can get the switch cheaper and i think prices for the door harnesses fluctuate about 10-30 bux depending on which dealer you go to. we have a lot of nissan dealers in atlanta and each has their own price...

now you may also have to get the ADP in order to get this to work OR you could try your hand and wiring up relays, etc, but thats time consuming and would be hard to place that stuff in the car..

soooo.... i got the mirrors form Eurohazard for a STEAL so i cant comment on them but they are atleast 200 a piece, then the harnesses/switch = 250 bux then the ADP is another 260. so your spending some cash here but if your relentless in this as i have been then its worth every penny if you have the SE and want the LE... i can confirm that with the exception of the directional issues at the moment, all functions work!! ill know for 100% this time next week if the ADP will cure my power mirror issue... so stay tuned... if anyone has any questions right off the bat then i can answer.. im going to button up the car back up so i can take it to get the timing done form a local forum member....

is you 2007 armada is an LE then yes they dim... if not,, then no

...i can confirm that with the exception of the directional issues at the moment, all functions work!!


If you are referring to the turn signals don't be in such a rush. I was all excited about my 07 because of turn signals in the mirrors and when I actually got the truck I found them very annoying. Every time I made a turn it looked like I was getting pulled over! The tinted windows have made that a non-issue though.

The power-folding feature is great though.


is you 2007 armada is an LE then yes they dim... if not,, then no

Thanks. I'll have to check this out :cool:

no the led blinkers work. i mean the up/down/left/right functions dont work.. but once i get the ADP, i should be in business....

hey.. i was going down the interstate folding the mirrors in.. LOL..... it was a blast!!! the dimm mirrors really do make a difference... i cant believe that. i turned the dimm off and on to test the difference and its amazing what a difference it is.. even in sunlight... this feature alone should be standard equipment.....

Great job marctronixx, keep us posted on how it goes once you get the ADP in.:)

guys thanks for the support. i will keep everyone posted! have a great weekend..