Got the counter measure brake kit installed yesterday. According to Nissan, this should be the fix we have all been waiting for. The work done included new rotors, new pads, and a new bolt. ( I already had the new calipers and sliding pins installed on a previous visit) They also did some work on the rear brakes which included a resurfacing with new pads. The service writer stated that this was an inclusion for the counter measure brake fix. I hope this works, for this was our 5th brake fix (in 10,000 miles) that we have had performed. I hope all of you are able to get the new counter measure parts soon. As of now, I can feel a big difference in the stopping power, but time will be the true test.

I had the brakes (rotors) replaced due to the original mfg. problems... sadly, I am encountering the problem all over again... that faint little shimmy while braking -- indicating uneven wear on the rotors. Back in I go...

I'm going in on Tuesday to get the counter measure installed. It is good to hear that the rear pads are replaced as well. Maybe I can get a free tire rotation to boot. It is time.

Ken

Honestly, I believe that most dealerships are willing, and able, to do these extras (such as a tire rotation) for customers that ask. I think a lot of customers never ask because they assume the answer will be no. If you don't ask, you'll never know! We asked for an alignment at no cost, and we got it. :)

Buckley - Are you sure you got the new countermeasure rotors, and not just a new original rotor? A couple of others, on the boards, were told they got the new countermeasure rotors, but they actually were just given new original rotors. It was a stall tactic. Hopefully that is the case for you, and the new countermeasure rotors are not warping again so soon. Let us know!

I took my Armada into the dealer yesterday:

The counter measure brakes are installed - wait and see
The problem with the front windows rattling when partially down - fixed per the TSB
Free tire rotation - yea!

Ken

Glad to hear the window TSB fixed you up- I've read other posts where the TSB didn't fix the problem. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Hi Folks,

I was reading the thread and figured I'd respond as I sat down with the service manager at our local Nissan dealer today. Here's what he told me.

1. Nissan has recalled all existing replacement rotors and pads.
2. The dealers are currently getting a trickle of the new rotors and pads
3. The TSB will be turned into a full out recall in the next few months

Regards

dearmada -- you have an excellent point. I 'thought' I received the new rotors -- but this was three months ago. Maybe they just replaced the original ones with the same type of set?! I'm taking 'er in next week and will let ya know.

Thanks for the tip!

Tbuckley

Your welcome. Let us know what happens when you bring her in! I hope all goes well! :p

Why, when, how did this brake fix start to get referred to as the "Counter Measure"
Sounds like something from X-Files or something.
Just curious.....


tbuckley - If you got your brakes done 3 months ago and were told you had the new ones, they lied. That's what happened to me. They made this big deal of that I was the first in CA. They even cleaned up the calibers to show me they were brand new. I bought in to it, and even thought the Armada was stopping way better than originally. Then last month the jutter came back. The Nissan dealer just played it off, and told me since I only brought in in 2 times already, they can only turn the rotors and replace pads again!
So I'm just driving around waiting for the shakes again.

I'm going in tommorrow for the rotors, I'll report back anything I find out.

The dealer here in norcal said by the end of the month there should be a bigger supply of the new brake kit.

They just lathed mine and said next time the'll have the parts.

I got the countermeasures kit done last Friday the 13th; new front & rear pads, new front rotors, turned rear rotors, new hardware on the front calipers. Brakes work great.

I took a look at the service advisory from Nissan, and all of this work is dictated, not just recommended (including work on back brakes).

I was in 4 times for brakes in 20k miles.

Let's hope this is the real thing.

Is it possible to gat a copy of that advisory?

I bought a used 04 Armada from Carmax about a month ago and the shudder started on Saturday. Since I don't have a friendly face (salesperson) at the dealership I want to go in armed with the advisory and have them do the "final fix". My experience with dealerships hasn't been that great and I don't want to get the runaround or stuck with a bill for the repair.

Thanks!

I've Had My Brakes Fixed Three Times. A Friend Mentioned The "lemon Law" To Me. I Qualify For This And You All May, Too. In Virginia, The Code Section Is 59.1-207.10. Check Your State's Code, But The Law Is Called The Motor Vehicle Enforcement Act. I Have Sent All Of My Invoices, Etc., To A Lawyer And Contacted Nissan's Consumer Service Division. They Assured Me That I Will Get A Call From Some Big Shot Within 24 Hours. I'll Let You Know What Happens.

I Love My Vehicle, But I'm Done With This One; It's A Lemon. I'm Not Willing To Keep Taking Off Of Work To Drag It Down To The Dealership And Get Some Crappy Rental Every Three Months Any Longer, Not To Mention That This Is Potentially A Safety Issue.
I Got This Vehicle For The Great Towing Capacity To Haul My Horse Trailer. The Last Few Times I Hauled It, I Got Scared That It Wasn't Going To Stop A Few Times. That's When I Took It Up There Again And Got The Brakes "fixed" For The Third Time.

Is Anyone Else Out There Willing To File A Class Action Law Suit To Get Your Entire Purchase Price Back Or A New Vehicle?

Well before I purchased my Armada I was seriously looking into buying an Escalade EXT, the power and handling was awesome but the interior was kinda crappy....and I kept hearing that an Escalade or Navigator no matter how nice they look they're still American SUV's that will break down sooner or later.

Most mechanics I spoke with said the life expectancy of an Escalade and Navigator are around 80K-90K miles before seeing MAJOR problems. Anyway I decided to go with Nissan and figured the engine will last forever, plus the truck is awesome. But this didn't stop all the board members on my Mustang forums from ragging on me and talking **** saying how can you pick a Nissan over an Escalade bla bla bla....

Well folks, today I fell in love with my Armada more and it looks like I'm getting the last laugh. My coworker has an 03-04 Escalade and didn't show up for work the other day, when I saw him this morning he said that his SUV broke down on him. Apparently the escalade runs its tranny fluid through the radiator as well, and some seal busted causing all of the tranny fluid to get sucked into the coolant and into his block. Anyway his transmission overheated and seized....his block/ lines/ heater/radiator/ other hoses are all filled with tranny fluid and need to be replaced as well. They say that the engine might not be damaged but everything else has to be replaced.....NOT only that, but they DID NOT give him a rental because they said they aren't sure if this will be covered under warranty and also charged him $180 bucks for the initial test drive and diagnosis.

So all you Armada people *****ing and moaning about a squeak or rattle.....please shut the hell up and quit your crying. Nissan is busting it's *** to make us happy and fix these minor issues...plus I have never been charged any "Diagnostic fees" and have always been given a rental for anything I took my Armada in for. BTW, my friends Escalade has 40K miles on it, and the mechanics told him that they have seen this before...but don't know why or how it happens. NICE ANSWER GUYS! ;)

PS- At least they called him yesterday and said they will cover it under warranty now....I'm amazed they were able to figure that part out!! I mean I always thought "Drivetrain" meant Engine and Transmission!! :rolleyes:
Yea? I think PumaFiveOH said what I feal

I'm new so sorry if this is a dumb question. Are the brake problems/recalls for all Armadas or just 2004?

There is no recall and it has been on '05's also. Mine is in today. 1st time for breaks.

I thought I saw a thread about May timeframe that said that Nissan wouldrecall all for the permanent brake fix. Does anyone know if this is true or do we just have to fit the criteria (several rotor and pad replacements) to get the permanent fix.

I also bought this vehicle to pull a horse trailer (mentioned earlier in the thread) and I really am concerned if these brakes won't hold. I am not experiencing anything now but I know I have an early 04 and I would think my odds are not great.

Rhonda

There is no recall and it has been on '05's also. Mine is in today. 1st time for breaks.

As already posted, there is no recall. Nissan will repair/replace brakes only if customer complains.

I'm waiting for the dealership to call me back (like that's gonna happen) to schedule my first of apparently many trips to have my rotors turned before getting the new rotor.

Being armed with the information from clubarmada (big thanks for the site!) I'm going to push them to give me the new rotors now if they are available.

Has anyone tried the slotted rotors from Mossy? For $180 plus labor at my local shop that I trust with other cars, this may be a permanent fix. I realize the the brake problem is covered under warranty, but when you factor in the trips to the dealership, time off work or just the hassle of going to the dealership 8 times (drop off and pick up) it might be worth it to just shell out the money for the aftermarkets and be done with it.

I guess my question is, has anyone used an aftermarket rotor and if so, is it working?

Thanks!

Brian

WOW, Nissan called me back! I pushed for the new rotors but of course they say they cannot order them until the rotors have been turned. Only on the THIRD visit will they then order the replacement rotors. He even admits it's a delay tactic, but if they can't make enough to supply the demand there's not much we can do for now.

Still interested to know how the aftermarkets work for anyone who has used them. Until then I'm getting "turned and padded" on Weds.

I just got home from getting my "new" brakes done. Here's the story in case any of you are interested...
I've had the Armada a year on 6/19 and have 9100 miles on it. I've had the brakes done with the temporary fix three times the last time being about 6 weeks ago. At that time my service guy said he would call as soon as the new parts were in and I could come right in and have the "new" brakes done regardless of whether or not I was having problems again. Anyway, he called last week and I went in today and had the brakes done, the paint protector stuff re-applied, and an oil change. I picked up the Armada at lunchtime and the new brakes seem great so far! What a difference! I also got my oil change for free so I am really happy with their customer service. I felt like I was telling my service guy goodbye since I've seen him at least every 4-6 weeks for the past year! Hopefully I won't be back in that often now. So far so good! Good luck to the rest of you going through the process of getting your brakes repaired! :)

I've had my new parts on order for 3 weeks now. Been through 2 sets of pads and two turnings. Last time I was in I was told that the car is safe to drive, and "new" style parts are ordered, including rear pads. Called back yesterday to find out when the parts were coming in, and told they dont have a date yet, but nissan authorized another temp fix (turn rotors replace pads) until the parts come in. Cant wait to get the new rotors and put this to bed.

I have had my "new brakes" since 6/8. I gave driven over 1,000 miles on them. They feal great and no DUST!!! :cool:

Most of you have already figured this out, but it hit me this morning so I thought I would share. The reason Nisssan is turning the rotors three times before replacing them is because they cannot turn them four times. I suspect that after three times, the rotor is too thin so only then will they replace with the new style. My service guy (go orange team!) says there is a supply issue, they can't make or procure them fast enough. Maybe so, but I don't appreciate having to go back time after time to get the rotors turned before getting the rotors that should have been on the thing in the first place.

Reminds me of Mustafa in the Austin Powers movies. Remember he got so annoyed when asked the same question three times, that after the third time he would answer it. Seems that's how Nissan is treating the brake issue.

Most of you have already figured this out, but it hit me this morning so I thought I would share. The reason Nisssan is turning the rotors three times before replacing them is because they cannot turn them four times. I suspect that after three times, the rotor is too thin so only then will they replace with the new style. My service guy (go orange team!) says there is a supply issue, they can't make or procure them fast enough. Maybe so, but I don't appreciate having to go back time after time to get the rotors turned before getting the rotors that should have been on the thing in the first place.

Reminds me of Mustafa in the Austin Powers movies. Remember he got so annoyed when asked the same question three times, that after the third time he would answer it. Seems that's how Nissan is treating the brake issue.
I only had my rotors turned once. (5k) I went back today to get them tuned down again (10k) and my service guy said no turn down for you. You are getting the new rotors today. We see how they do.

sweet...
I'm still trying to figure out if I have the new rotors already since my truck was built in april of 05. I have noticed a very slight shake in the wheel while braking... not sure if that is the beginning of the brake judder or just me being to anal and looking for a problem. the advisors swore to me that I have the "new" rotors already and that I won't have a problem.
I only have 2400 mi. guess time will tell...

If you want to check to see if you have the new rotors look at the sticky post at the top of this section.
http://www.clubarmada.com/forums/showthread.php?t=921

thx scr, I'm still trying to figure it out, from a small miror i put in there, it does look like the new ones, but very hard to tell.....

besides, 2 days ago, steering wheel started shaking a little during braking....
doesn't make sense.... If they are the new ones, why the judder...

or is that normal... don't remember it doing that when I drove her off the lot lol.

Two weeks ago: I called for my fourth visit to have the brakes done on my 2005. I did not even have to ask for the uprgaded brakes as the Service guy said "I think you might be eligible for the updated brakes." After placing me on hold he comes back and tells me that I'd be getting the new brakes.

It's only been two weeks so I cannot comment on whether this has fixed the warping rotors but I am already smiling. Prior to the update, washing the front wheels was almost pointless. Just a drive to work and back (40 miles) would lay a nice coat of brake dust on the wheels. It's taken two weeks (540 miles) to get that much brake dust on them. :thumbup:

I hope this truly does fix the problem although it wasn't that big of a deal for me since it usually coincided with oil changes and Sutherlin Nissan has been great through it all.

sweet... I got the answer of.. there are 25 people ahead of me, and even though they know i have the old rotors (2700 miles only) they will still cut them 3 times before adding me to the list.. also told me that by next month they should have a free flowing supply and then maybe I'll get them without having to wait so long.

my fingers are crossed.

I had a good visit at the dealer the other day. I went in for the window rattle at Douglas Nissan in Huntington Beach, CA and they ordered the parts for me. The service man also said he has the new brakes and he can install the new rotors and new pad for me today. I was very happy about it. I didnt even ask for them and the dealer took care of it. They said they would rather do it now than have any problems later. Great news for me.

.l...they will still cut them 3 times before adding me to the list....

Heat - Try a couple different dealers and see what their wait list is. My dealer said they'd add me to the list (#8) and put the parts on as soon as they arrived, and I was just scheduling my first rotor turning. I happened to luck out and the day the service was done they had the new brake kit(s) arrive and decided just to do mine then and there.
I think some of the dealers might be trying to milk some ea$y warranty work out of the factory at the customers expense with the 3 strikes rule now that parts are starting to flow a bit.
If your on the list and the parts are in there is no reason to still have them turned 3x.

I recently got that brake jutter after a very hard braking incident (thought I was gonna lose the vehicle ;) ). I brought my car in to get the rotors turned, and to my luck they actually had an extra kit (Rotors, calipers, pads). They installed them on the front, and turned my rear rotors and installed new pads. Took 3 and a half hours. Braking very smooth. During my 45 mile trip home, I decided to slam on the brakes on the freeway (nobody around). 70 to zero. did that about three times. The tech orginally said the heat during the hard braking is enough to warp the original discs. I also did a panic stop on an offramp. I figured if these brakes will warp, they do it in a week. 2 weeks gone by and the new front discs work very well.

I recently got that brake jutter after a very hard braking incident (thought I was gonna lose the vehicle ;) ). I brought my car in to get the rotors turned, and to my luck they actually had an extra kit (Rotors, calipers, pads). They installed them on the front, and turned my rear rotors and installed new pads. Took 3 and a half hours. Braking very smooth. During my 45 mile trip home, I decided to slam on the brakes on the freeway (nobody around). 70 to zero. did that about three times. The tech orginally said the heat during the hard braking is enough to warp the original discs. I also did a panic stop on an offramp. I figured if these brakes will warp, they do it in a week. 2 weeks gone by and the new front discs work very well.

New calipers are not included in the upgrade. You get new rotors, pads and caliper mounting hardware, but the calipers are not changed.

I am officially done with Nissan Pads and Rotors. My rear pads just went at 17k. I've had the front pads changed 5x and the rotors 3x. To everyone that doesn't know, Powerslot just released rotors for the Titan/Armada. I found them at autopartswarehouse.com for $92 each, front and rear (since their new, you'll need to call or use the online chat). I also ordered up some Satisfied Ceramic Pro brake pads from Kragen. I'll keep ya'll posted. It was nice the dealer was changin them, but leaving my truck for a day or two every other month or so is ridiculous. :chainsaw: