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Armadadeathtrap
05-04-2005, 03:02 PM
First off, Nissan service is a joke! They've sold you the vehicle, then they don't want to help you!

My ABS system engages for no reason. the first time it happened back in Feb 2005 I had 6250 miles on the truck. It just happened again on May 2, 2005 same thing for no reason. just driving along, go to break for a normal stop and the sound of grinding metal, spring popping sounds and the fact that I only have 30% - 40% of my breaking power when this happens is a nightmare. Luckly, no one has been hurt by me yet. The Nissan service tech tried to tell me that the white bumps/bubbles on the side of the road can trigger the ABS on the Armada???? Does this guy think I'm stupid???????
This is the 2nd time it's happened on a smooth surface and normal breaking. The first time they smoothed my rotors and replace the break pads and told me I was good to go. Well, less than 3 months later, it happened again. Has anyone else had a similar situation? I didn't spend $40,000. on a vehicle to go into ABS for some unexplained reason. I felt safer in my little rollerskate rental car I had gotten!! HELLLPPPP! I am a ticking time bomb on the road and I'm at my wits end!! I have hired an attorney for this now. I hope my car doesn't act up with your family on the road!! Buyers Beware!

adjmcloon
05-04-2005, 03:45 PM
Just wondering (due to your username) - are you a troll?

There have been no widespread issues with ABS on the Titans or Armadas. I would suggest visiting your dealer.

Armadadeathtrap
05-04-2005, 03:54 PM
Just wondering (due to your username) - are you a troll?

There have been no widespread issues with ABS on the Titans or Armadas. I would suggest visiting your dealer.

Username, Troll?? Visited local dealer twice, as defined in my post. :dork:

adjmcloon
05-04-2005, 04:03 PM
Just checking. Your username is pretty hostile to Armadas, and despite various issues, we're a pro-Armada forum for the most part.

Again, your ABS issue isn't common, so I guess if the dealer can't fix it then you should find another dealer or seek help from your state's lemon law or BBB arbitration.

Good luck, and :moon:

andy
05-04-2005, 05:56 PM
Deathtrap is a little strong for the problem you're having. Are you sure you're not hitting black ice, gravel, even potholes? ABS is supposed to kick in when there is a difference in rotational speed in any one wheel to the other three.

Can you describe better what is happening? It sounds like your ABS is doing exactly what ABS is supposed to do. There is an increase in stopping distance when ABS kicks in because it's modulating the wheel from locking up. Or releasing the brake and braking again 60 times per second trying to regain traction.

Armadadeathtrap
05-04-2005, 06:18 PM
Deathtrap is a little strong for the problem you're having. Are you sure you're not hitting black ice, gravel, even potholes? ABS is supposed to kick in when there is a difference in rotational speed in any one wheel to the other three.

Can you describe better what is happening? It sounds like your ABS is doing exactly what ABS is supposed to do. There is an increase in stopping distance when ABS kicks in because it's modulating the wheel from locking up. Or releasing the brake and braking again 60 times per second trying to regain traction.



Deathtrap = I had to brake for a red light... I didn't stop!! I LOVED my Armada!!! Now, I'm afraid of it. I DON'T WANT TO HURT SOMEONE.

The ABS should NOT engage for "normal" breaking, I wasn't putting my foot through the floor...NOT even close, just a routine expected stop that landed me and my 5000lb truck close the the middle of an intersection. I was traveling at 25 miles per hour.

I understand first hand that this isn't an everyday experience for Armada drivers, HOWEVER it is my experience and I read one other on the nhsta website.

I was on a flat surface, no potholes, no hill, no bumps, no black ice. ABS went off without warning twice. I wish I had the answers so I didn't have to resort to message boards.

Good luck to everyone with your Armadas... I'm sure your fixes will be coming soon. I hope this doesn't happen to me again.

andy
05-04-2005, 09:26 PM
I agree, that would be pretty scary. Well, I guess that kind of sucks. I mean the dealer will probably say they can't reproduce the problem and give you a blank look. I mean they won't even agree that my front bumper is .5" lower on the right side. I even brought a ruler with me to show them.

It does sound like a serious problem. I'd try to get Nissan to replace the braking system including the ABS electronics. And make sure the sensors are replaced too.

Back to the name Armadadeathtrap, I'm a bit superstitious. That would be kind of asking for it to me. Just my opinion only. I mean if I truly felt that way, there's no way I'd be hauling around my family in it.

ronbon35
08-03-2005, 12:29 PM
First off, Nissan service is a joke! They've sold you the vehicle, then they don't want to help you!

My ABS system engages for no reason. the first time it happened back in Feb 2005 I had 6250 miles on the truck. It just happened again on May 2, 2005 same thing for no reason. just driving along, go to break for a normal stop and the sound of grinding metal, spring popping sounds and the fact that I only have 30% - 40% of my breaking power when this happens is a nightmare. Luckly, no one has been hurt by me yet. The Nissan service tech tried to tell me that the white bumps/bubbles on the side of the road can trigger the ABS on the Armada???? Does this guy think I'm stupid???????
This is the 2nd time it's happened on a smooth surface and normal breaking. The first time they smoothed my rotors and replace the break pads and told me I was good to go. Well, less than 3 months later, it happened again. Has anyone else had a similar situation? I didn't spend $40,000. on a vehicle to go into ABS for some unexplained reason. I felt safer in my little rollerskate rental car I had gotten!! HELLLPPPP! I am a ticking time bomb on the road and I'm at my wits end!! I have hired an attorney for this now. I hope my car doesn't act up with your family on the road!! Buyers Beware!
I have had the same problem you describe. It took me three times to try to get it fixed. The problem I had was that whe I turned off the USV the problem wnet away. thus the dealer was unable to diagnose the problem. Finnaly I took the SUV with the problem and had the dealer test drive with the problem and they pluged a computer to the SUVs computer and got an error code " DELTA S SEN [C1179]" P/# 47660-7S020 ". My service revords has the following work done: 47210-ZC010 MASTER VAC ASSY & 999MP-A4100P BRAKE FLUID DO.

My problem was exactly as you mentioned a Metal spring noise with little ressitance feel on the brake pedal. Hope it does not happen again now. Hope this helps you fix your problem. The key is to take the SUV with the problem and have them place the DIAG to the COMPUTER with out turnining of the SUV.

nissanenemacomingyourway
08-07-2005, 12:28 AM
I feel your pain. I have had the exact same problem twice. The first time I had no idea what was going on. I was doing ~15 mph down a residential street and the brake light went on and there was popping and grinding and a springing noise. I took it in and they said they could not duplicate it. After a lot of fighting with them they replaced a bunch of brake equipment and the master cylinder. Today in a parking lot the same thing happened. No warning. Nearly no stopping power. I had to take the back roads home to make it safely. I have had this big piece of c*$% in 3 other time for other brake problems. Now I am seeking a lawyer. DId I mention the fact that the A/C blows hot air for at least 10-12mins. :mad:

nissanenemacomingyourway
08-07-2005, 12:33 AM
Dude, (RONBON34) :censor: unless you have experienced this type of fear, you have no right giving commentary. I live in phx where it is 115degrees. No black ice here. No pot holes. This was an ABS malfunction without warning. Will it take something like someone dying for Nissan to admit they have a major brake issue with these vehicles? Does the word Crown Vic ring any bells?

armadaamy
10-24-2005, 06:20 PM
I came to this site hoping for some answers. I was releaved to read your issue and know I'm not alone. I was the first Armada off the lot in 2003 and I love my 2004 Armada. In August of this year, I took it in for routine service and they told me there was a recall on my braking system and it needed replacing. The work was completed... 4 days later my brakes failed. Driving in a residential area, with normal braking, and my brake pedal crunched to the floor making horrible noise. The vehicle only stopped with the pedal to the floor and then locked up in the process. I had to nurse myself out of the roadway. The dealership examined my brakes and told me "nothing appears to be wrong and it must have been a one time clitch". I drove my truck for 2 more months before the issue arose again. Once again, I was left dodging traffic as my vehicle failed to stop. It is currently at the dealership and they are telling me nothing is wrong with my braking system. I felt comfortable buying the vehicle, without a track record, because of my previous good experience with my Pathfinder and I loved the new safety features... but if the brakes don't work, I can't put my family in it and I'm out a lot of money. :eek:

FL_Crushin
10-24-2005, 09:43 PM
I came to this site hoping for some answers. I was releaved to read your issue and know I'm not alone. I was the first Armada off the lot in 2003 and I love my 2004 Armada. In August of this year, I took it in for routine service and they told me there was a recall on my braking system and it needed replacing. The work was completed... 4 days later my brakes failed. Driving in a residential area, with normal braking, and my brake pedal crunched to the floor making horrible noise. The vehicle only stopped with the pedal to the floor and then locked up in the process. I had to nurse myself out of the roadway. The dealership examined my brakes and told me "nothing appears to be wrong and it must have been a one time clitch". I drove my truck for 2 more months before the issue arose again. Once again, I was left dodging traffic as my vehicle failed to stop. It is currently at the dealership and they are telling me nothing is wrong with my braking system. I felt comfortable buying the vehicle, without a track record, because of my previous good experience with my Pathfinder and I loved the new safety features... but if the brakes don't work, I can't put my family in it and I'm out a lot of money. :eek:

If it were just judder I would say hang in there, but apparently you have some serious safety issues. Call Nissan, and if they won't help then call a lawyer.

scltchr99
10-26-2005, 11:12 PM
I came to this site hoping for some answers. I was releaved to read your issue and know I'm not alone. I was the first Armada off the lot in 2003 and I love my 2004 Armada. In August of this year, I took it in for routine service and they told me there was a recall on my braking system and it needed replacing. The work was completed... 4 days later my brakes failed. Driving in a residential area, with normal braking, and my brake pedal crunched to the floor making horrible noise. The vehicle only stopped with the pedal to the floor and then locked up in the process. I had to nurse myself out of the roadway. The dealership examined my brakes and told me "nothing appears to be wrong and it must have been a one time clitch". I drove my truck for 2 more months before the issue arose again. Once again, I was left dodging traffic as my vehicle failed to stop. It is currently at the dealership and they are telling me nothing is wrong with my braking system. I felt comfortable buying the vehicle, without a track record, because of my previous good experience with my Pathfinder and I loved the new safety features... but if the brakes don't work, I can't put my family in it and I'm out a lot of money. :eek:


My Armada is in the shop right now (three weeks and waiting). I had the same thing you are descirbing. Apparently it is an anti-lock sensor that has malfunctioned. There are three other Armadas with the same symptoms sitting beside me at the dealership. According to the dealer, there is a national backorder on this part (sounds like a recall to me).

Really wierd that I, too, had my rotors and brakes replaced and the next day that part went out. I took it back to the dealership and they said it must have been a fluke. Drove for 6 weeks and problem came back. Now I am playing the waiting game.

Needless to say, I am a very impatient girl!

ronaldodmd
11-21-2005, 06:29 PM
I have had the same problem you describe. It took me three times to try to get it fixed. The problem I had was that whe I turned off the USV the problem wnet away. thus the dealer was unable to diagnose the problem. Finnaly I took the SUV with the problem and had the dealer test drive with the problem and they pluged a computer to the SUVs computer and got an error code " DELTA S SEN [C1179]" P/# 47660-7S020 ". My service revords has the following work done: 47210-ZC010 MASTER VAC ASSY & 999MP-A4100P BRAKE FLUID DO.

My problem was exactly as you mentioned a Metal spring noise with little ressitance feel on the brake pedal. Hope it does not happen again now. Hope this helps you fix your problem. The key is to take the SUV with the problem and have them place the DIAG to the COMPUTER with out turnining of the SUV.

That is exactly the problem I face with my 2004 Armada. Service replaced the rotors and six weeks ago they replaced the ABS module?. Last Saturday the problem recurred. Breke light goes on and the spring noise heard. The problem goes away when turning off the ingnition.

casinojames
11-21-2005, 10:35 PM
Wow, How many of you guys have been lurking before you decided to reveal this problem to us. First off I have to say thats pretty scary that all of you waited till now to say anything about this. I figured when I read deathtraps post that would be the only one then as I read along it was two, then three, then four...damn...now you got me worried. It seems to me that there maybe a serious defieffiency with the vac assy and/or fluid system. Please if there are anymore of you out there who haven't said anything now is the time to speak up and post your experience. Please give detailed information on whatever the dealer does incl. part numbers to "fix" this issue.

Thanks in advance.

P.S. Feel free to make whatever name you want but be prepared to deal with the consequences when people here don't appreciate it.

Maryland-Mada
12-12-2005, 04:19 PM
Add my name to this list....I just experienced it this weekend. It was the second time the Mada accted up.....the first time was when my wife was driving by herself. I was in my neighborhood when this happened so I wasn't driving that fast. The symtoms are exactly what you described crunching and spring noise with loss of breaking power....has anyone determined what this is? Nissan could have some serious law suits with this one if they don't find out and correct this one....

leigh
12-16-2005, 12:56 AM
Hey Armadadeathtrap, did you ever get it fixed? I had a similar problem with mine - it wasn't the ABS, it was just that the brake pedal collapsed and I couldn't stop. After they gave it back to me saying it was fixed, it happened again. You are right - unless this has happened to you, you don't know the fear. The second time they towed it in, Nissan jumped on it sending out technicians from California to Atlanta. They had that car fixed. It was my master cylinder, it had "debris" in it. That was 2 years ago and the brakes have worked perfect since. I was exactly like you, I was scared to death to drive it. I'm helping a man right now trying to get his fixed - his is the same problem mine was, and I'm beginning to believe that it will take someone getting killed before the dealerships will believe what we are telling them. Anyway, mine is fixed and I haven't had any more brake issues and I never had any other problems with it. It's the best car I've ever owned and now I love it again. Good luck to you.

Maryland-Mada
01-10-2006, 12:16 PM
Well...the Mada started doing it again today and I drove it straight to the dealer. Kept it running so the tech could hear the problem. He said it was caused by dirt in the line which caused a valve or something in the ABS actuator to hang. He ordered a new ABS actuator today.....after I have the repair I will post the results. Hopefully it will fix the problem. Also, as a side note the tech did say that a hard break like an emergency stop could dislodge the dirt, and he felt that it was still safe to drive.

92TripleBlack
01-10-2006, 02:42 PM
I could see debris being a problem, but that isn't prevalent or indemic to the vehicle. In fact, this is the first I've heard of it, including tens of thousands of titans with the same system. Sounds pretty isolated. As for the real brake problems, they were on the '04 and most '05s and were warping rotors. Nissan replaced these under warranty and it wasn't a danger, just a hassle. Sounds like you got the new rotors and pads like everyone elses. As far as safety, our brakes are just as safe as any other vehicle and we do have the shortest stopping distances of all vehicles in the class. In fact, the armada stops in a shorter distance than the Honda Accord does. ;)

Maryland-Mada
01-12-2006, 12:40 AM
I could see debris being a problem, but that isn't prevalent or indemic to the vehicle. In fact, this is the first I've heard of it, including tens of thousands of titans with the same system. Sounds pretty isolated. As for the real brake problems, they were on the '04 and most '05s and were warping rotors. Nissan replaced these under warranty and it wasn't a danger, just a hassle. Sounds like you got the new rotors and pads like everyone elses. As far as safety, our brakes are just as safe as any other vehicle and we do have the shortest stopping distances of all vehicles in the class. In fact, the armada stops in a shorter distance than the Honda Accord does. ;)


I would tend to agree with you on this being an isolated case. However, there are some posts from others who have experienced the very same thing I have. I know the first time it happend to me it scared the hell out of me. However, this last time I was determine to break something in order to show the dealer there was a problem. I did some really hard breaking and I was able to stop the vehicle comfortably, but with some very loud and strange noises.

Marcellaus
01-12-2006, 02:28 AM
I could see debris being a problem, but that isn't prevalent or indemic to the vehicle. In fact, this is the first I've heard of it, including tens of thousands of titans with the same system. Sounds pretty isolated. As for the real brake problems, they were on the '04 and most '05s and were warping rotors. Nissan replaced these under warranty and it wasn't a danger, just a hassle. Sounds like you got the new rotors and pads like everyone elses. As far as safety, our brakes are just as safe as any other vehicle and we do have the shortest stopping distances of all vehicles in the class. In fact, the armada stops in a shorter distance than the Honda Accord does. ;)

That sounds good, but I'll take warped rotors ANYDAY over brake failure! The Armada may stop a few inchs/feet/yards less than a Accord, but it will deliver more force none the less upon impact.

TX_Mada
01-16-2006, 04:50 PM
This same thing happened to me and the family as we were headed home from a weekend of camping.

While towing a camping trailer (~6000 lbs), I approached a stale green light. Traveling this way often, I knew the light would change so I was already slowing down. I was going about 15 mph when I applied the brakes to stop for the light and the pedal hit the floor. All I heard was a crunching, metal-on-metal sound. As we continued to slide towards the middle of the intersection, I reached down and manually applied the trailer brakes from the brake controller, using them to stop us. Had it not been for the trailer brakes, we'd have plowed off the road since the road dead ends, forcing a left turn.

So what's the consensus with this problem? Is it an Armada defect? What's the risk to me and my family? Right now, I'd say the risk is great and I'm not at all pleased with the vehicle.

By the way, I love my 2004 Armada. Like most I've had the standard glitches, overhead DVD rattling (fixed), seat squeak (mostly fixed), and others miscellaneous little problems. However, not being able to stop the vehicle, especially at critical times, is just something I can't live with.

It looks like many of the posts in the "Brakes" area of this forum are related to the same thing. How can we get Nissan to acknowledge this is a problem? I suspect I'm like most... don't want to give up my Armada, just want the problem fixed.

Thanks for any insight/input.

92TripleBlack
01-16-2006, 05:16 PM
This same thing happened to me and the family as we were headed home from a weekend of camping.

While towing a camping trailer (~6000 lbs), I approached a stale green light. Traveling this way often, I knew the light would change so I was already slowing down. I was going about 15 mph when I applied the brakes to stop for the light and the pedal hit the floor. All I heard was a crunching, metal-on-metal sound. As we continued to slide towards the middle of the intersection, I reached down and manually applied the trailer brakes from the brake controller, using them to stop us. Had it not been for the trailer brakes, we'd have plowed off the road since the road dead ends, forcing a left turn.

So what's the consensus with this problem? Is it an Armada defect? What's the risk to me and my family? Right now, I'd say the risk is great and I'm not at all pleased with the vehicle.

By the way, I love my 2004 Armada. Like most I've had the standard glitches, overhead DVD rattling (fixed), seat squeak (mostly fixed), and others miscellaneous little problems. However, not being able to stop the vehicle, especially at critical times, is just something I can't live with.

It looks like many of the posts in the "Brakes" area of this forum are related to the same thing. How can we get Nissan to acknowledge this is a problem? I suspect I'm like most... don't want to give up my Armada, just want the problem fixed.

Thanks for any insight/input.
Obviously, you've had a problem. Did you have the dealer look at it? A couple of owners said there were some debris in the master cylinder that needed removal to fix the problem. Maybe you have the same problem? The crunching was the ABS kicking in, but if you didn't have any pressure due to a stopped up brake line, it wouldn't do anything. Remember you also have the properly named emergency brake, which BTW is NOT a parking brake. I'd have the dealer check for some debris, change the fluid, get the new rotors and pads, and you should be fine. \

BTW, Welcome! Also, check the TSBs to see if there are any other common problems, mostly with '04s, that you can bring it in for and have it fixed. ;)

Maryland-Mada
01-17-2006, 03:46 PM
My opinion is that Nissan should do a recall, but of course it all comes down to money......Perhaps Nissan had a supplier that shipped them some dirty parts or the like. However, I did drive mine pretty hard when this occurred. It seemed like when I lightly applied the brakes I could hear the ABS actuator making all kinds of noise, but when I pressed the breaks hard the sound went away and I was able to stop quickly. Granted the breaks did feel a little mushy, but I was able to stop the vehicle.

92TripleBlack
01-17-2006, 04:06 PM
ABS is supposed to make noise. Sounds like you have a problem and it is related to when the system should be triggering the ABS. :crikey:

sskount
02-16-2006, 03:56 PM
Holy crap! My wife just called me and described the same exact thing that is happenning to people in this thread. She was in the grocery store parking lot when it happened. She slowly pulled out to the intersection as she applied the brake, it just gave in and brakes started grinding. Brake light came on. She pulled over to the side of the road and called me at work to let me know what happened. For some reason, I ask her to turn of the car and restart it. The brake light went away and she was able to drive the car home safely. Luckily she was only few miles from home. I'm taking it in to the dealer tomorrow. Damnnnn this thing is scary. Yes, mine has the brake upgrade done. It's also an 05 LE.

sskount
02-17-2006, 03:10 PM
UPDATE:

Ok, took my vehical in today. Just got it back. Here's the description of my work order:

Concern: customer stated brake grind and spring popping noise with brake light on. Problem went away after turn engine off and back on.

Cause: Delta Sensor Open

Correction: Rpl Brake Booster ***'y

Comment: Code C1179 Delta Sensor Sensor comes with Booster ASSY Only
PART Number: DAT 47210-ZC010
Description: Master VAC ASSY

Part Number: DAT 999mp-a4100p
Description: Brake Fuid DO


We'll see how long this last. Good luck to the rest of you who are trying to get this fix.

gsp8s
02-28-2006, 09:38 PM
I was experiencing a similar ABS issue where the "VDC Off, SLIP and ABS light staying on while driving. It turned out to be an issue with the ABS Actuator and ABS Control Unit......both of which they have replaced. I have also had ongoing issues with the brake judder but that also has been resolved with the so called "Nissan Brake Fix".
Due to all of the issues that I have experienced I decided to contact Nissan Consumer Affairs to file a complaint. They got me in touch with the BBB (Better Business Bureau) Autoline. From there I started down the road to get my vehicle replaced due to the brake problems. Nissan answered this complaint very quickly and has since offered me $2500 for my trouble, a Gold Service Extended Warranty and are sending a Nissan Technician to personally inspect and repair any problems found on my vehicle.
I am more than happy with the results so far and I would encourage anyone experiencing similar brake problems to also notify Nissan because it may turn out that a recall on certain models is required.

eriktiatco
03-29-2006, 03:06 AM
Ok! Dood, seriously, If i would of read all these forums 3 days ago, I would of never got an Nissan Armada. This seems to be a very serious problem. Well my car is brand new, has anyone ever experience this problem on an 06? Do you think by the time these 06 models were being produced that the problems was fixed? Because if this ever happens to me, I plan to do to alot of suing! I will be able to afford a Ferrari by the time Im done with Nissan.

Mike
03-29-2006, 09:34 AM
I was wondering if someone else had this problem?

My 04 after 13,000 miles has had this problem twice. I did notice that the brake pedal was mushy and did hear the springy (boinging) sound eminating from the master cylinder area of the vehicle. I was driving rather slowly in heavy traffic so I didnt get too alramed. When i pulled in to park and do my thing I was wondering what the heck was going on and if I needed to see the dealership for service. When I got back in the Armada and drove off the problem wnet away. Several weeks went by and nothing happened, then without warning it did it again. I again stopped and parked the beast and when I started the truck and drove off it was again gone. I never heard any grinding or saw any brake lights come on, but I hate to be doing 70mph down the highway and have to apply my brakes and have this problem manifest it self.
I've learned that mechanical things do and without notice break, or malfunction. I have never had a problem with the dealership fixing a problem, or not caring about any problem I have presented them. Those of you who have had problems with a Nissan dealer have just come across an auot group that just delivers bad customer service, and that is just not good for their business.
I agree that the Armada has shown some aggrevating issues to some of us, but overall the vehicle is truely a pleasure to drive. I don't have alot of miles on my Armada, but I dont let mechanical issues get me excited, I just get them fixed.
Good luck with your dealings and keep us posted.

Armadaof1
04-27-2006, 10:11 AM
Add me to the list. Twice in the past three months we've had the same problems described in this post:
- grinding/creaking/spring popping noise
- pedal to the floor
- greatly reduced to nearly non-existent braking
- several lights on the dash
- at low speed

In the first instance I was in heavy traffic. I stopped the truck, put it in park, shut it down, turned it back on - no change to pedal and all lights still on. I then pumped the pedal a half dozen times and that returned it to normal feel. I shut down and restarted the truck - warning lights out and no further problems.

Yesterday, my wife called and she had to pull to the side of the road when this happened. She limped back to the house. I checked it out a few hours later (fluid levels, leaks, etc), drove it around town, did several 60-0 emergency stops without a problem.

I'm flushing the fluid today as a precaution for debris and/or air.

AZARMADA
06-24-2006, 07:28 PM
This happened to me last night. I drove to work and all was fine. Just as I was pulling out on my way home, there was the judder and the pump on the brake peddle Just like the ABS was stuck. The brake light also came on. I drove to the dealer (2 miles away) left it there for them to get started on it 1st thing this morning. The told me there was a TSB for the software for the ABS system. That was updated and my Armada returned. Only 25 miles but so far so good.

kmchby76
05-24-2008, 10:50 PM
Is there any updates to this issue? This has been happening to me for a cople of years now, fortunately not while driving, only when I pull out of my driveway. Today this happened to my wife, but she had just got ready to get on the hiway when it happened to her so she went back to her work. Now for me, everytime I took it to the dealer they tell me nothing is wrong we can't duplicate this problem. Now they want to charge me $105 to diagnose it on Tuesday. I have the standard gold package extended warranty, however before they cover anything under the warranty, they have to determine the problem to be covered under the criteria, then they will offer me rental and waive the fees, but I have not confidence in them as they will more than likely come back and tell me there is nothing wrong.

Pops
05-25-2008, 12:04 AM
Armadachick had a similar experience and got it fixed. I'm pretty sure that she posted about a TSB on it. I'll see if I can find it.

Pops
05-25-2008, 12:12 AM
Alright, here's where she posted the fix, they reprogrammed her ABS Control Module. If I remember correctly, I think there is a firmware update to fix a known bug.

http://www.clubarmada.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9815

I think the TSB can probably be found on http://x.nissanhelp.com/forums/Knowledgebase/links/192.

kmchby76
05-25-2008, 04:04 AM
Hey Pops, thanks for the input. I just wonder how much this is gonna cost me as the service advisor told me the program updates are not covered by the extended warranty.

Pops
05-25-2008, 10:58 PM
Considering it's the brakes, ask him why that's not a recall and if they'll cover it when you're dead from rolling into a ditch due to the brakes suddenly deciding to activate while driving.

kmchby76
05-26-2008, 04:36 AM
I do plan on calling corprate before I go. I'm hopeful they will be more willing to assist me in this issue.

kmchby76
05-28-2008, 04:36 AM
OK, I took her in this morning around 10AM. I was quoted an estimated $110 for the diagnostic check. I also requested a check for my back up sensors, another $110 estimate. I did mention that I believe it to be the actual buzzer, and a service tech was there and was a bit surprised that I knew what I was talking about as I indicated the a failed buzzer can cause the back up sensor button to remain in the off position. Around 2:30PM I get a call back. Of course for the brake issue they could not duplicate. However, they did mention TSB for a reprogramming relating to the ABS and VDS. When I pick up my Armada I will ask for the specific TSB number. Nissan informed my that this will be covered under my extended warranty :) . As for the back up sensor, I was right it is a faulty buzzer. Aalso covered under the extended warranty:) :) . They also did a courtesy multipoint check and discovered that I had a tranny and power steering leak from some hoses. All covered by my extended warranty:) :) :) . I am glad I have y extended warranty package as this could have been very costly. I will post more when I get her back.

BlakSpyda
05-28-2008, 11:28 AM
Good for you :thumbup: kmchby76!

kmchby76
05-28-2008, 07:25 PM
The TSB they applied was, NTB 06-040, Reprogram VDC.

vindicator
05-29-2008, 12:59 AM
I think I know how you feel. My 06 was a few months old and i had to drive it a few thousand miles with no airbags working. Three visits to the dealer, lots of wasted time. One reason I bought the Mada was for safety so I was not happy about driving it with no airbags. Finally got it fixed. Three Nissan dealers have been terrible and Nissan North America could care less. So I love my Mada but dealer service gets a zero. good luck. Vin :)

kmchby76
05-29-2008, 01:35 AM
Well, I will admit the Armada is definately a safe vehicle to be in. I have had one bad accident in it where I was sideswiped by a Honda Civic. Believe it or not but the Armada definately absorbed the impact very well as I barely felt anything other the sway of the suspension from the impact. Of course this occurred while I was on my way to my very first oil change in Feb of 04. I have also had a mid size car back into me as well as a 4runner rearend my wife, all of which the impact was minor for the occupants in the Armada. I am very confindent in the safety of the vehicle as far as the structural integrity is concerned. Time will only tell at this point if the reprogramming of the VDC actually fixes the problem.

kmchby76
06-02-2008, 04:52 PM
As an update to the issue, Nissan USA called me back today. Apparently the reason that this is not a recall issue as of yet is because not enough customers have called with a complaint. According to them if enough people complain about the same issue then Nissan looks at putting out a recall rather than a TSB. So if this is still a problem with people, call Nissan USA at 1-800-647-7261.

pathfinder19
06-05-2008, 06:19 PM
Nissan just replaced my master cylinder and oil reseviour beacuse of the reocurring brake light and brake issues...

kmchby76
06-05-2008, 09:12 PM
Was Nissan able to duplicate your problem? My issue is that Nissan has not been able to duplicate my problem. All they decided to do at this point was to apply the TSB mentioned above. Right now it is a waiting game as time will tell if the problem has been resolved.

pathfinder19
06-06-2008, 12:14 AM
No they have not been able to duplicate the problem...all 4 times that it has happened I was out of town from my regular dealership and was luckily able to reset the computer by restarting the vehicle. Only one time was there any type of computer code found that related to the breaking system. This repair was covered by my extended warranty less the $50 deductible.

The first time this happen they reprogrammed the computer, 2nd / RD time they were unable to find anything wrong and sent me on my way stating if it happens again come in so they can read the computer, Th time they just said they would replace the brake system and components in and around the master cylinder

kmchby76
06-06-2008, 04:33 AM
Well it good to know they were willing to do what it takes to fix it. I guess I could be expecting this to happen again in the near future.

pathfinder19
07-05-2008, 07:04 PM
Well almost 1 month later my Brake light / VDS SLIP and ABS light are on again....arrrrrrrgggggggg

Brakes were working and was able to get to dealership with the light on...they were also able for the first time to get an active code#...they reset the computer and said to get with them Monday morning. I can't wait to go!!!!! They will get an earfull this time....what has to happen for them to address this from corporate???

Will keep you all posted with my adventure.....:crikey:

ArmadaThunder
07-05-2008, 10:35 PM
All that I know is that if my Armada was in the shop for three weeks w/o a successful repair of the ABS, somebody's *** would be getting sued!

Good luck! I personally think the brakes on the Armada SUCK to begin with.

joriz
07-22-2008, 01:35 PM
has anybody able to fix the problem or know how to fix the problem? I just have my Armada in the dealer service. They told me exactly what you guys were told that " there's nothing wrong with your truck". Now I need to go down there hoping i can duplicate the issue. I'm not sure if I can since it happens very sudden without having to do anything.

This problem seems rampant and I dont believe them when they said that they haven't heard any similiar complaints.

Please help or advice.

BlakSpyda
07-22-2008, 01:37 PM
Welcome to Club Armada joriz!

Have them refer top the Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) #NTB 06-040, Reprogram VDC. This should help.

joriz
07-22-2008, 02:04 PM
Does this actually resolve the issue? According to Pathfinder19, it didn't. Did it fix yours permanently? how long have your armada been running after the VDC reprogramming?

Appreciate the response.

BlakSpyda
07-22-2008, 02:29 PM
Does this actually resolve the issue? According to Pathfinder19, it didn't. Did it fix yours permanently? how long have your armada been running after the VDC reprogramming?

Appreciate the response.
I actually have not had the ABS/Brake/VDC warning in a while (knock on wood). I have had my Armada since Jan 06 and have over 70K miles on it. Tha last time I had the VDC warning light was about at 39K. They can also flash or reprogram the ABS Control Module.. From what I hear that works also!

joriz
07-22-2008, 02:39 PM
Thanks.

I wonder how it works with kmchby76. I just called the shop. They said they will check on the TSB. They said to me that I should be prepared to pay $149.00 for the reporogramming. I have an extended warranty like kmchby76 and he got his free. Let's see if they'll eventually charge me.

This is an awesome site..I never could have found this or had no eagerness to join into such forum without having to have this problem, unfortunately.

BlakSpyda
07-22-2008, 04:06 PM
Good luck! :thumbup:

joriz
07-23-2008, 03:27 AM
I just got my Armada. the dealer here in Nissan Serramonte (Bay Area, CA) does not know anything about that TSB. They said they didn't know nothing about it. What an incompetent dealer! Now i have to check other dealers if that is something they can do...

joriz
07-23-2008, 11:02 AM
I was told that the TSB does not apply to my Armada because it does not have an Engine number so they cannot do it. Is this possible?

spta97
07-23-2008, 12:02 PM
I was told that the TSB does not apply to my Armada because it does not have an Engine number so they cannot do it. Is this possible?

Just because your model may not be included, doesn't mean that it does not have the same problem and that the same fix will not fix it.

I ran into a similar warantee issue with my window rattle that a 2004 TSB (that didn't apply to my 2007) fixed it. My dealer sucked and it took me on order of 6 months with Nissan USA to finally get them to resolve it. Meanwhile, others on the board (with other dealers) had it fixed without issue.

I would sugguest finding a capable dealer or being a real thorn in their side. The latter was my road to victory.

The Armad is an awesome truck but Nissan Service is truly terrible.

joriz
07-23-2008, 06:30 PM
I called Nissan USA. They're not sure of the TSB. I spoke with Teresa Preston. She checked on 3 of their systems but can't find anything relevant or related to that TSB.

Does anybody know the details of that TSB?

Thanks and regards,
- joriz

drewsbrew
07-23-2008, 07:42 PM
This happened to me also. Dallas, Texas summer (last year) in my neighborhood at less than 15 mph. The ABS engages and the peddle feel is disturbing. I drove it home and parked it. Drove my old jeep the rest of the day and tried the armada again later, no problems, never happened again.
I think you guys should give "armadadeathtrap" a break. This vehicle has been marginal at best since I bought it new in 2005. I have had it in the shop for recalled brakes (vibration), 5 times in the dealer for supplimental airbag warning (insufficient wiring harnesses and modules in each seat) and now its in for broken A/C knobs and broken sunroof, and a crappy battery that has left me and the family stranded twice. I purchased this vehicle new and it has 50K miles on it now. I have a 2 year old kid and a stay at home wife that only makes neighborhood trips and a few trips to OKC to visit with family, im a mechanic and can do all my own work and the armada is seldom used. If I didn't have this car paid off already and big fuel hogs were still selling I would dump it in a second and buy another Jeep. (over 201K miles on my 1998 Jeep XJ with not a single dealer visit, enough said)

morenar
07-31-2008, 08:41 AM
Well almost 1 month later my Brake light / VDS SLIP and ABS light are on again....arrrrrrrgggggggg

Brakes were working and was able to get to dealership with the light on...they were also able for the first time to get an active code#...they reset the computer and said to get with them Monday morning. I can't wait to go!!!!! They will get an earfull this time....what has to happen for them to address this from corporate???

Will keep you all posted with my adventure.....:crikey:


Had this issue this morning after having the Brake Light/judder problem a month and half ago which Nissan reprogrammed the computer. The Brake/VDS/Slip light came on. I turned the car then on waited and about 10 seconds later I heard a continous clicking coming from right below the windshield drivers side then the lights came on again and the clicking stopped. Took it straight to the dealer so we'll see.

morenar
08-01-2008, 08:50 AM
Well, picked up the Mada from the dealer and they had replaced the ABS actuator and a relay. They said the fuse or relay (can't remember now) kept popping. So the advisor assured me it was fixed. Guess what? :crikey: on the way home from the dealer the VDS/Slip/Brake lights came on again. I also feel that I am pushing the brake pedal farther down then usual. So it is at the dealer again this morning. The advisor saw me and couldn't believe I was back. 3rd times a charm!

morenar
08-02-2008, 10:11 PM
Got a call from the Dealer yesterday. After 4 hours with Nissan Tech support it was diagnosed that the ABS sensors on the calipers had gone bad. Parts on order and should be here 2-3 days... Will keep you posted.

hardeight
08-19-2008, 12:14 PM
Same here, Brake light on, if I touch the brake even a tiny bit, my car comes to a loud metal grinding halt as if I had slammed on my brakes as hard as I could. Luckily most of the time i hadn't been going over 20mph when this has happened and its happened so much that when I was doing 80 on the freeway I was expecting it..., shift the car into neutral, turn it off, turn it back on, and keep driving.

I posted this issue on this forum years ago and pretty much no one believed me, much like the dealerships. I have an 04 armada purchased in January 04, got about 70k miles now. I've had this issue a total of 10 times. Taken it to the dealer 6 times. The 5th time they said they were doing that reprogramming thing. It happened again about 3 months later. I took it back. They said the guy did the wrong thing! this time it was "actually reprogrammed". This was about 3 months ago, but since the problem is so intermittent I can't be sure it was fixed. I've been taking it to Performance Nissan in Duarte dealing with both Tim and Paul. I'm really starting to get tired of all the little problems I seem to constantly have with my mada but on the bright side, I have yet to pay for any brakes thanks to nissan, Although I have had to replace my tires about 5 times, nissan only paid for the last two sets.

mgbrillo
08-22-2008, 07:54 PM
Same here, Brake light on, if I touch the brake even a tiny bit, my car comes to a loud metal grinding halt as if I had slammed on my brakes as hard as I could. Luckily most of the time i hadn't been going over 20mph when this has happened and its happened so much that when I was doing 80 on the freeway I was expecting it..., shift the car into neutral, turn it off, turn it back on, and keep driving.

I posted this issue on this forum years ago and pretty much no one believed me, much like the dealerships. I have an 04 armada purchased in January 04, got about 70k miles now. I've had this issue a total of 10 times. Taken it to the dealer 6 times. The 5th time they said they were doing that reprogramming thing. It happened again about 3 months later. I took it back. They said the guy did the wrong thing! this time it was "actually reprogrammed". This was about 3 months ago, but since the problem is so intermittent I can't be sure it was fixed. I've been taking it to Performance Nissan in Duarte dealing with both Tim and Paul. I'm really starting to get tired of all the little problems I seem to constantly have with my mada but on the bright side, I have yet to pay for any brakes thanks to nissan, Although I have had to replace my tires about 5 times, nissan only paid for the last two sets.

same thing happened to me. i took it to the dealership with the print out of the TSB and some info i got here (thanks to Pops!). they had the ABS reprogrammed (no charge) and so far so good. i took it on a trip with the family last weeked to austin and back here to houston, breaks worked fine - although it still worries me whenever i am driving at the freeway especially with the kids and wife. :(

mendeezy
08-25-2008, 08:56 AM
This has happen to me twice since purchasing my 04 mada back in Feb with only 25000 miles on it. Both times was when i was doing 25 mph or less with same occurences like everyone has had. I have yet to see my dealer bout it but my question is since i do not have an extended warranty on it will I have to come out of pocket for it all? ( I am guessing YES )

mgbrillo
08-27-2008, 02:45 AM
just to add to your question, if it's in the TSB or a recall, would the stealership charge for that 'fix'?? there's a TSB for this problem. I printed that out and showed it to the dealership (which acknowledged the issue, and with great service too).

J3RR3L
09-14-2008, 09:26 PM
Same here, Brake light on, if I touch the brake even a tiny bit, my car comes to a loud metal grinding halt as if I had slammed on my brakes as hard as I could. Luckily most of the time i hadn't been going over 20mph when this has happened and its happened so much that when I was doing 80 on the freeway I was expecting it..., shift the car into neutral, turn it off, turn it back on, and keep driving.

I posted this issue on this forum years ago and pretty much no one believed me, much like the dealerships. I have an 04 armada purchased in January 04, got about 70k miles now. I've had this issue a total of 10 times. Taken it to the dealer 6 times. The 5th time they said they were doing that reprogramming thing. It happened again about 3 months later. I took it back. They said the guy did the wrong thing! this time it was "actually reprogrammed". This was about 3 months ago, but since the problem is so intermittent I can't be sure it was fixed. I've been taking it to Performance Nissan in Duarte dealing with both Tim and Paul. I'm really starting to get tired of all the little problems I seem to constantly have with my mada but on the bright side, I have yet to pay for any brakes thanks to nissan, Although I have had to replace my tires about 5 times, nissan only paid for the last two sets.
My girl has taken her armada to nissan twice so far for the same "reprogramming thing". She also experience the metal grinding when applying pressure to the brakes. She said she pulled over a couple of times to reset the computer.

Is there any software to conduct logs through the OBII port?

gabe2
09-22-2008, 06:00 PM
This just happened to me today on my 05 LE. I to have power stop rotors on it for the last 30k, do you guys think that will play a role on how the dealer will fix the issue?

Thanks

ch47d99
09-23-2008, 11:56 PM
I have been having this same issue for quite some time now. I didn't think it was a big deal until I read some posts here and realize this #$%! is causing brake failures. It has been looked at by two different dealers. The TSB fix did not work. My Armada is at the dealership now, and I told them to keep the damn thing until it does it for them because they keep saying they can't replicate the problem. I have a free rental car from them now. I am calling Nissan tomorrow. I love my Armada, but my wife has basically said that she is about two seconds from trading it in for an Expedition. I can't half blame her, and I think I will lose this fight. :crikey: Have any of these fixes worked for you? Have 2008/9 Armadas been affected by this?

hardeight
12-29-2008, 02:54 PM
So its happened twice since my last post, but I haven't been able to take it back to the dealership. But I just wanted to post saying that the TSB did nothing to resolve the issue, and they did it Twice. We'll see what happens next time I can take my car in.

bigkahuna04
06-08-2009, 10:49 PM
This happened to me this past Saturday night...6/6/09 Took it to the dealer this morning and they are stating that the Master Vac needs to be changed and the cost is $895.00 !! I have an 04 Armada with about 32,000 miles on it. This has me in a rage. I didn't get an extended warrranty.... anyone else have to pony up money like this to get it fixed?

I'm going to call Nissan USA in the morning...told the dealer to sit on it for tonight.

BlakSpyda
06-09-2009, 09:11 AM
Welcome to CA bigkahuna04!

Maybe you could change it out yourself and save the labor cost. I don't think calling Nissan is going to do anything but pi$$ you off more.

carnagebeatz
06-09-2009, 05:27 PM
been happening to me spurratically for the last year...

hey, at least if I die, my family can sue nissan...:eek:

bigkahuna04
06-09-2009, 05:52 PM
Welcome to CA bigkahuna04!

Maybe you could change it out yourself and save the labor cost. I don't think calling Nissan is going to do anything but pi$$ you off more.


those are prophetic words...been on the phone with then for half an hour. they will create a 'file' and send it to a regional specialist (I'm in L.A. County), who will contact the dealer for info. very frustrating, the call center was in the Phillippines, and they claim that it's either them or Canada that handles the calls...no local contact. Customer Service is frustrating.

the local regional specialist is to contact me tomorrow, after they have had contact with the local dealership.

rich
06-11-2009, 06:05 PM
I bought my Armada used from a Nissan dealer it's an 04. I'm having the same problem: brake light comes on, peddle goes to the floor
front end starts to shake! All kinds of noise from the front end!
And these brake are only 7mos old!
So it sounds like there is some kind of common problem going on, can anyone tell me what the @#$% it is!
Is it fixable? This is not the only problem, I can't get the rear end Aligned
even with the new boltsand other parts in it!
My dealer just wants to keep charging me from the day I drove it out of the lot! So should i just burn this bone or should i try and stick it out!
o ah my wife says its all my fault!

Pops
06-11-2009, 06:23 PM
Sounds like the BCM went bad... There's been a few that had to be replaced:

http://www.clubarmada.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9353

BlakSpyda
06-11-2009, 08:39 PM
Welcome to the club rich!

bigkahuna04
06-11-2009, 09:27 PM
Wow...Nissan Customer Service is frustrating....a regional specialist called my office yesterday after she had contacted my local dealership (the Armada has been in the shop for 5 days now), but I couldn't break away to get to the phone.

I've left 6 messages to the regional specialist to call me back and offered up several phone numbers and the best time to call me when I had a free schedule.....no call back, and the dealership will not let me know anything until I speak directly with the regional specialist. Very frustrating....I'm disappointed in the lack of customer service and apparently, there is no local number for me to call directly. Getting tired of leaving messages on the voice mail of the nissan regional specialist.

rich
06-12-2009, 11:15 AM
Thanks everyone for the input!

Iíll try not to make this a (Crap on my SUV site) and tell you a little about how I ended up with an Armada for a Family vehicle but there will be some sarcasm!

Pops- Thank you! Whatís a BCM and can I replace it easily, so I donít have to bring it to the Nissan dealer and have them hold me up side down and shake all my money out of my pockets!

Also Iím told that the air pump for the air shocks is also bad! (Great) thatís why I canít get it in alignment? Has anyone had a problem with that one! Itís not the fuse, so Iím told!

So anyway let tell you about how I anded up with an Armada!
My wife needed to drive my Jeep Cherokee because of a major snow storm, so I give her the JEEP with studded snows and I get her SB to drive.
Well she totaled it in 10 minutes too crash it. So we rented an Armada! She like it. I was ho hum. I took the rental 4wheelin and it's:bow::bow: not a JEEP!
I got it stuck everywhere and it is just too big for the bark rubbing rock hunting mudd swimming nitpicking NE. I had to walk out of the woods about 3mi at two in the morning! No fun!
My fault it was a rental and not set up!
But anyway she wanted one and we bought one and I like it for the most part? Well up until now anyway! So with help of you guys I will continue to keep this GAS HOG on the street!
We do take it to Marthaís Vineyard on the dunes in chappy, we drive it over Ted K. (the killer) car wash bridge, it does ok on the sand dunes with the stock tires almost flat! Gets us out to surf cast!
Any input on how to run very soft sand fluff with not much mods!
Well that my story and Iím sticking to it!

BlakSpyda
06-12-2009, 11:39 AM
I think you ar a Jeep kinda guy! :D (Stating the obvious) and without lifting the Armada and toughening it up a little, it will not do whatyour Jeep did. However, it is very capable. The BCM is a dealer thing and the Airshocks (leveling) are for your rear stabalization for towing, unless you got air shock absorbers on your suspension (which are not OEM).
There are threads for both. I will check around and see what I find, unless someone else posts results before I do.

EDIT: You may require your ABS module to be reset. It does nees to be done at the dealer though. Check this thread.
http://www.clubarmada.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12495

And one I posted back n February still holds true for the ECM not the BCM.
I have not had the brake problem since they performed a reprogram of the ECM based on the TSB.
http://x.nissanhelp.com/forums/Knowledgebase/links/200

Pops
06-12-2009, 12:23 PM
I find my way around this truck using Courtesy's website. It helps me find roughly where things are located and how much they cost.

http://www.courtesyparts.com/armada-parts-ta60-2004-2010/genuine-nissan-parts/-c-1063_1064.html

Your Cherokee wouldn't do so well with Contitrac tires on it either. The Armada is treading barefoot on its knees when bone stock.

It really sounds like you got someone else's problems unloaded onto you with this one and it might take a bit of work to get them worked out. IMO, I would get a code reader if I were you. Autozone and O'Reilly will read them for free. Most tuners like Superchips and Bullydog read codes. There are a couple for sale over on TitanTalk because people are adding headers and needing to upgrade to using Uprev for tuning.

I'm also sending you a PM with a few more details that might help.

rich
06-12-2009, 01:28 PM
Very cool - Thanks for the heads up, I will check this site and thread and follow directions.
I’m good at following directions I'm married.
As far as a Jeep kind of guy I'm opportunist, I got a deal on it and it was an amazing vehicle for the deep woods and in deep snow in deep woods, trees very close together, a lot of my old dirt bike trails but with the 4whler you can do it late night with BBs and four of your best friends! I didn’t very fit very well I’m 6,5 220 and it was way to small for day to use and family stuff , But a great unit to hammer into the ground and not care! I think that’s why I got threw everything. Remember momentum can be your friend.
Now that I have the Armada it has been a breath of fresh air. Roomy, good looking, I just can’t beat it to the ground. I just have to keep it running!
O one more thing what should the volt meter read on my battery I’m getting 14v and I don’t feel good about that! Had to put a new battery in 2weeks ago!
Is that normal or am I @#$@%%^ with this problem also?

RanzMada
06-17-2009, 11:02 PM
I had the same symptoms with my ABS with my 2001 Ford Explorer. I don't know if the Armada ABS system works the same as the Explorer, but I'll explain what I did to fix the problem, and maybe that will help.

Right after I changed out my '01 Explorer rotors with Powerslot aftermarket rotors the ABS light would come on, and the ABS would engage on the left wheel only when braking at low speeds. The brake pedal would sink down far and the front end would shake from the ABS engaging, plus the braking performance was very poor.

Well, the problem ended being that the ABS ring on the inside hub of the rotor was pressed on slightly different than stock. The ring was slightly raised higher which shortened the gap between it and the speed sensor. This difference in gap caused the speed sensor to unnecessarily engage the ABS. I swapped out the rotor with a new one and the problem went away.

If the Armada rotors have the ABS ring then you can measure how far up the ring is and compare to the other side. Hopefully your issue is only on one side. Your speed sensors may be faulty as well.

bigkahuna04
06-18-2009, 03:38 AM
Wow...Nissan Customer Service is frustrating....a regional specialist called my office yesterday after she had contacted my local dealership (the Armada has been in the shop for 5 days now), but I couldn't break away to get to the phone.

I've left 6 messages to the regional specialist to call me back and offered up several phone numbers and the best time to call me when I had a free schedule.....no call back, and the dealership will not let me know anything until I speak directly with the regional specialist. Very frustrating....I'm disappointed in the lack of customer service and apparently, there is no local number for me to call directly. Getting tired of leaving messages on the voice mail of the nissan regional specialist.

Well... it's been resolved... after several long phone calls to Nissan Customer Service about the regional specialist not calling me back with the phone numbers I left on the voice mail (the regional specialist would call back during the day...but she called my home phone..and of course I'm not at home because I'm at work!!! She had my phone numbers to reach me at work or my cell #)...I finally got a call from the supervisor. That finally got the ball rolling.

Although my Armada was out of warranty (no extended warranty), Nissan picked up part of the bill. My original estimate was $895.00 for a new Brake Booster with new delta sensors and to reprogram the computer with the upgraded software. I paid $390.00 and Nissan took care of whatever balance they worked out with the local dealership.

Not quite what I wanted....but at least there was some consideration thrown my way from Nissan. This all took about a week and a half to resolve.

rich
06-18-2009, 10:50 AM
If it happens again I'll have to put it in a different shop and hope for the best. But what I will also do is grab the ear of the service manger and forward all these great and informative real word experiences. Now if it helps me not I get gaffed put up on the boat and gutted will be another story to tell!
Most important, at least I now have a way too get information about the Armada and not feel like it is only coming from somebody with a hand in my pocket!
Everyone Thank you for your input and I will stay positive about my Armada till I go through a red light with my brake pedal to the floor!

Hey pops I saw that Air box Mod (VERY NICE intuitive) When I get a chance I will do that! That will be fun to do! And I like some of the other things I’ve read and seen!
It seams as I’ve got older I have less time to do things I enjoy and more things that just have to get done.
The list gets longer and longer and time is getting shorter so when the vehicle you depend on Fs up it is a time consuming problem!

Any input on my 14v problem! Recap: I have 14v on my meter at my brand new very large battery. Is that normal or do I have more problems? Help!

BlakSpyda your ride is something to aspire too!

BlakSpyda
06-18-2009, 12:41 PM
~~~

BlakSpyda your ride is something to aspire too!
Huge compliment, Thanks! :D

scr38
06-18-2009, 03:31 PM
A 14 volt reading at the battery is normal. You don't have a problem.

rich
06-19-2009, 10:07 AM
Thanks much!:bow:

ďFor myself I am an optimist Ė it does not seem to be much use being anything else...Ē
Sir Winston Churchill (1874Ė1965) British prime minister during WWII

LafayetteOwner
12-10-2009, 06:37 PM
I've had the ABS chudder problem twice over the past two years so I'm finally having the dealer take a look at the problem while they do some other work. I've told them the issues (driving, attempt to brake and there's severe chudder, notice brake light on, turn vehicle off and on, issue resolved) plus referenced Code=C1179 and TSB NTB06-040.

I'm wondering if anyone has had recent experiences with the dealership regarding this issue. It looks like owners have had this problem for several years now.

rich
12-11-2009, 10:34 AM
I had all kinds of problems with the Armada. But I bought a used 04 so I deserve what I bought! I have fixed all the problems it had, I think I had every problem that the forum listed! It left me with a very sour feeling about (FIXSAN) in general. I was going to buy an Maxima but after owning the Armada and the pour Dealer service and just one problem after another, I bought a used 06 Dodge RT charger for my self! I have put 25k on it with out one problem! not one!! Well except for lots of gas and i'm on my second set of tires!In a year. YEHA! the car is FN awesome!!!!!!!!!!!! this thing does what it is told! But I degress. In this Forum there are some really smart people that have helped me through the agony of buying a used 04 Armada, listen to BLAKSPDA and POPS go through old forum logs, all the answers are there! They have there finger on the plus with the Armada. And there rides look the BALLS. I have to say, I still love the Armada but next time I will buy a one year old and try my hardest not to buy a lemon. My wife has to drive this most of the time and not me, so the only thing I have to do is open my wallet and let the money fly out!
My only adivce is either do the work your self or find a shop that you can trust!
Thank dog I have both! but it still costs!
Merry Christmas to all and a happy Year!

LafayetteOwner
12-11-2009, 10:45 AM
That's funny, I had a Dodge Durango prior to the Armada and I hated the piece of junk. Dodge is a company that puts out nothing but trash. It'll be a long time before I buy domestic, but in a very realistic world any vehicle is going to have its issues. So far I don't regret buying the Armada.

rich
12-14-2009, 11:00 AM
That is funny and I had looked at the Durango's, ford, GM, and wisely stayed away! They are all rattle traps after 50k. That Durango had a turning radius of a train! And bounced down the road!
I think that Chrysler has some very innovative ideas, but then they don't follow through with a completely thought out product! But I believe the Charger is a different story!
Hay lets stuff a big Hemi motor in a passenger car with a Daimler R/D thought out transmission drive train, and suspension and put big breaks on it! I am shocked that my center console does not shake my coffee out of the holder! They now use more then two screws! too hold it down!
I figured that this will be my last chance to buy a big v8 mussel car at a great price! I can beat this to the ground and not feel the least bit bad! I have the studded snows on it now and I can’t wait for snow!
As I said before the Armada is a really nice ride! I just got a lemon! My wife informed me that she was having problems with the breaks again this weekend! I told her to shut it off sit for a minute then start it again. That seams to do the trick for now! sometimes you have to disconnect the battery.
I will have address this on going problem! Let us know how YOU make out!

“If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.”

Isaac Newton (1642–1727)
English mathematician and physicist

Matrix
03-12-2010, 10:25 PM
Sup ya'll, Iv'e read all the post here and I feel for all of us. FYI, I spoke to my advisor. This is not a recall yet? In order for it to be a recall is if we all band together, we all have the same issue, and we report it to Nissan Corporate and file a claim. 1-800-NISSAN-1. I am going to do that very soon. I have an 04' with the same issues, spring action, brake light, weak brakes, and so forth. I am not covered under extended warranty no longer, but since I only have 64,000 miles they may fix it at no cost. For those still with the extended warranty, Nissan should cover this completly. This is a safety issue they have to deal with. There has been alot of issues with the Brake Booster's even after a system reset. If they system reset, do you loose your 2*AVT? As far as cost go:

1st-diagnostics with system reset-$95.00
2nd-Replace Brake Booster-$700-800.00 (Expensive)

Latest 04' recall- Something with the a/c fan module on the outside, not the one in the vents.

Latest 06'-09'- Brake Pin, and Fuel Sending Unit. Recall on these will also vary on the month your Mada was made and will be determined by VIN#.

Has anyone had success with no extended warranty, and didn't have to pay out of their pocket for Nissan's lousy brakes? Please let me know.

BlakSpyda
03-12-2010, 11:29 PM
You do not loose the 2 degree timing advance.

kevwren
03-13-2010, 12:47 AM
Back in September my wife was having the same issue with our 2007 Armada. Vdc light was on Brake light on Grinding and popping and the brakes just wouldn't stop all the way. The first time it happen I told her she was crazy and told her the grinding was probably the ebrake partialy up. She turned the car off and everything was fine for a couple of weeks. The second time it happened she was right down the road from the dealer so she pulled right up to service and left it running so they could see exactly what was going on. I have the repair paper in front of me and it says Code C1189 Booster Defect. They fixed everything under warranty and haven't had the problem since. Service guy here in Tucson said it was the first time he'd seen that happen but as quick as they fixed it I'm sure that was bull.

RC340
03-19-2010, 05:06 PM
im fairly new here but been reading along for awhile just was wondering what with all the brake failling issue members been having, why as this is largest club site we dont ALL get together as one and petition NISSAN about this issue, havent had issue yet but plan on doing my own brakes this month, pads n rotors all around, 05 with 50k

rich
03-22-2010, 10:55 AM
I don't think they are the same in the 2010 model but maybe someone else out there knows for sure. How to take care of the problem? Blowup the old one and Buy a new one! I have sensor problems now! Every dummie light is on! Just like the guy down the street with his Christmas lights still on! UGH! Scan code C1115 The dealer wants 800 to fix it! A garage 525, I'll do it my self but I don't know where I can get the right parts cheap! They tell me i need RR hub and ABS Sensor! Anyone out there have an idea? where i can get this stuff without getting porked?

Pops
03-22-2010, 11:15 AM
Rich, there's also a couple more options, sorry to hear you got "stuck" :( ..... You could order the parts and fix yourself, there are people on here who've replaced their own BCM or ABS Sensors, or you might possibly price out an extended warranty for the next year if you're still enough under 100k miles. I Think I'd try to fix it myself if it were me.

IIRC, I think it might be the BCM that takes extra caution though because i think it's the one that if it thinks the car is rolled over, all the airbags will deploy. So you have to disconnect the battery first, then the BCM's wiring harness before messing with it or removing the unit. Good Luck!!!

http://www.courtesyparts.com/armada-parts-ta60-2004-2010/genuine-nissan-parts/-c-1063_1064.html

http://www.clubarmada.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=65

rich
03-22-2010, 02:06 PM
Pops THANK YOU! times are tuff as we all know and what ever I can do myself saves $$$!
Thank you for the heads up! i'm sure it is always smart to DISCO the battery when working on anything! This rig has about 125k on it and I need to go over it from top to bottom try to get all the rattles out of it also. I just finished working on my CR500 topend and clutch and it runs like a charm. Now onto the Armada YEHA!

Pops
03-22-2010, 02:37 PM
Those Hondas are durable bikes, they just keep running and running.... lol .... :D

I was getting squeaks from the overhead console after I messed with the DVD system. It was an annoying high pitched squaking that was tough to narrow down. The kids helped me narrow it down by pressing up on different areas of it while I was driving so we located the spring clips that I caused to deform so I pulled it back down to reshape them with needle nose piers and pad with pieces of paper towel and everything is all quiet now.

We get some rattling from the stuff they keep in the door pockets, etc, and we've found that adding sticky padding and Kitchen Drawer padded liner has helped quite a bit.


I was wrong about the BCM. The sensor I was referring to is a box underneath the Center Console. The BCM looks like it's in the Engine Compartment on the Driver's side. If I remember that area correctly, it should be a somewhat easy DIY project. :D

http://www.courtesyparts.com/armada-parts-ta60-2004-2010/genuine-nissan-parts/body-electrical/253-electrical-unit/-c-1063_1064_1099_1105.html

http://www.courtesyparts.com/images/ta60/ta60_253-1.gif (http://www.courtesyparts.com/armada-parts-ta60-2004-2010/genuine-nissan-parts/body-electrical/253-electrical-unit/-c-1063_1064_1099_1105.html)

rich
03-23-2010, 10:30 AM
Pops- I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned stuff in the compartments
My bride uses the compartments like storage a container.
Your ride looks great! good for off roading. The Armada is my wife’s ride.
There is only so much I can do without her going through the roof!
So I just try to keep it running! Thank you for all your input!

sweetpea05
04-05-2010, 11:32 PM
So here I go...
I have pretty much spent most of today and tonight reading all these great threads on brakes and Armadas and people getting anxious...count me as one of the many anxious - this past Friday, after leaving the grocery store with my two little girls in the back seat, I pulled out into light traffic and started to slow down for a red light...immediately heard grinding/squealing/metal on metal sound and the brake light came on...took my foot off the gas, turned on my hazards, took a deep breath and tried the brakes again...same sound, just as scary...pulled into empty parking lot, shut off truck and called hubby to tell him my brakes finally went out (I've been gripping about the brakes feeling mushy/soft for a while; he always tells me there's nothing wrong with them, they feel fine to him). He met me in the parking lot; took my truck for a spin around the parking lot (doing the 60 - 0 thing); couldn't get it to repeat what happened to me. He decided to take it to the dealership and get them to take a look at it...hour and half later and the service dept. says I need a new power brake booster?? to the tune of 862.00, let's just round up to 900.00. Now after reading everything here on this thread, I'm wondering if this is truly the problem?? I have a 06 SE w/o any kind of extended (or other!) warranty - and of course it's paid off!!

rich
04-06-2010, 10:35 AM
Hey Sweet Pea-
I feel your pain! My wife is driving our Armada she likes the way it is up high and is big. It also is loaded so she loves the options!
We have enjoyed the Armada very much and as a husband and a father feel that this is what I want my family in when on the road.
Believe it or not this is a good vehicle.
Yes there are problems with the brakes and yes it is a little scary when it happens and dog knows it is one of the most annoying problems that I’ve come up against!!!!
Print out the whole thread, use a yellow marker on problems and fixes, and understand them. These threads will help you to try to figure out what you need to do! It is all there.
I bought it used and had too put some money into the Armada, but now it is back on track and running fine. Good luck!

ch47d99
04-06-2010, 11:25 AM
I can't remember if I relayed my story on this, but IMHO, no Armada owner should be paying for this systemic problem. I used the Nissan Auto Line and then the BBB's auto line to ultimately pressure Nissan into sending a Nissan engineer to a dealership to fix this issue. I encourage everyone here to do the same...the only way Nissan will be forced into fixing this issue for all is by building a large case file about it at the BBB. Nissan's customer service was horrible for me in this issue, enough so that I would seriously consider avoiding buying a Nissan in the future. Now is the time to strike on this with car recalls/issues being front page headlines. Just recently Nissan gave me a full year of roadside assistance for fuel gauge issue. That would never have happened even six months ago.

BlakSpyda
04-09-2010, 09:52 PM
Welcome to CA sweetpea05! I would go ch47d99's route and see what happens!

dayton
05-02-2010, 03:38 PM
I traded my 06 Titan in for an 06 Armada, a month ago. I had my 16 month old in the Armada with me and the brakes failed! I was doing 30mph on a normal day and the truck would not stop! I thought the front end was falling out from under it..
Anyway I took it to the dealer and the service manager wanted to know if I had an extended warranty on it. I said that it came with a warranty up to 100k miles. Come to find out since I didn't buy the extended warranty, I might have to pay for the fix. I am not happy about this because I just traded my truck in March and this problem occured in April! Seems to me someone would have known what the deal was with this truck.
Anyway the service manager says the Armada threw a "D" code, and they don't have the comm 2 cable that is needed to reprogram this truck. They tried the comm3 cable that they have for the newer trucks but it didn't work for mine. So, I am in a loaner in the mean time.
Damnit, I love Nissans! Please don't let me down on this one!!! Especally since this is the family vehicle. I'm just glad my wife wasn't driving on this day. She would have paniced for sure!
Does anyone know what a "d" code is? Also, is the comm cable used to reflash the ECU? And is this going to fix my Armada, or do I just need to get rid of it before it does this again?

Parnelli
05-06-2010, 02:38 PM
Add one more vehicle to the list with brake issues. Going to call Nissan USA and see what they say. I have not been to the dealer yet, usually come here first to research issues for a simple fix. Does not look like Nissan has owned up to this one yet.

dayton
05-08-2010, 12:38 PM
Parnelli- let us know what you find out.

BTW what year is your Armada?

zooo
05-19-2010, 08:13 PM
At 94,000 miles, I started having similar issues with my 2005 Armada. The parking brake light came on and the Armada became difficult to brake. While braking, I could hear a grinding noise and a spring popping. Theproblem would go away after I turned the vehicle off and back on. Searched the internet and found the problem to be quite common and the fix to be quite simple: just take it into the dealership with fault code C1179 and TSB NTB06-040 and have them reprogram the VDC. I did so. The dealership told me that my Armada did show fault code C1179, but that my vehicle already had that latest software so my problem is likely not fixed. $68 to update nothing.

Anyone have any suggestion. Really don't want to suddenly lose my braking power at 70 MPH.

dayton
05-20-2010, 06:04 AM
Couple of weeks later and mine seems to be ok.. All they did to mine was reprogram the VDC. If my wife wasn't on bedrest with our third child, I wouldn't have kept this truck this long after this experience. I'm going to keep driving it and hope it doesn't do it again.
BTW can a vehicle be left running while being towed? I am only asking because if you turn it off it looses the code that it threw. Thats a stupid design!

Parnelli
05-23-2010, 12:09 PM
My Armada is a 2005 with 111k miles.
Dealer replaced the Brake Booster assembly. I thought about it and talked to a couple of mechanics, not at dealer, and decided the safest route would be the repair instead of only the reflash. Wife runs a daycare from home and we could not risk the chance of brakes failing again when she had a car full of kids.

On the plus side though, dealer diagnosed my airbag light and told me $450 for repair. Told him to recheck the warranty on seat belts and related components - it is 10 years from first in service date. He said, oops you are right and it will be fixed under warranty.

dayton
05-26-2010, 08:38 PM
Still no more problem..

Isn't it ashamed that I am driving this truck, waiting for this to happen again?

bg1906
06-22-2010, 09:24 PM
Add me to this list. I've had this now happen to me 3 times in about a month period. I'm not driving it anymore and taking it in on Thursday. Blakspyda, have you had this happen to you? I am going to take it to Herb Gordon, but I don't want to get bamboozled if all it requires is the VDC to be reprogrammed.

Same scenarios and symptons, I'm not going very fast at all but I am on the Outer Loop of the Beltway. I go to hit the brakes and the brake light comes on and I hear a weird popping and springing noise and the brakes don't work very well. I put on hazards, pull over, restart the car and no more issue. BEYOND SCARY!

MUST get this fixed ASAP!

rich
06-23-2010, 11:01 AM
I feel your pain brother! I have all kinds of money into fixing my wifeís Armada, got all the lights in the dash off, things where looking good!
Now just before our vacation road trip all the lights are back on! I must say that a lot of it is my fault for buying a used vehicle. But still, come on!
Itís too bad because I really like this rig. Maybe new is the only way to go, because they are too costly after 75k miles on them!
I found a 1980 wheel horse ride on tracker lawn mower on the side of the road with a sign on it FREE (my favorite word) put a fuel pump in it, sharpened the blades, and I have had less problems with that then this Armada!
When we get back from Vacation I think Iím going to take me and my friends and put a complete and utter 4wheel beating on this thing, drive to Lowell MA, go to a bar get blottOed and leave it running outside!
But I canít tell my wife that! It will be epic! I wonít be able to tell you guys about that one! O ya! Read all the threads, the answers are there to fix your nightmare and welcome to my nightmare! AC

bg1906
06-23-2010, 04:30 PM
I feel your pain brother! I have all kinds of money into fixing my wifeís Armada, got all the lights in the dash off, things where looking good!
Now just before our vacation road trip all the lights are back on! I must say that a lot of it is my fault for buying a used vehicle. But still, come on!
Itís too bad because I really like this rig. Maybe new is the only way to go, because they are too costly after 75k miles on them!
I found a 1980 wheel horse ride on tracker lawn mower on the side of the road with a sign on it FREE (my favorite word) put a fuel pump in it, sharpened the blades, and I have had less problems with that then this Armada!
When we get back from Vacation I think Iím going to take me and my friends and put a complete and utter 4wheel beating on this thing, drive to Lowell MA, go to a bar get blottOed and leave it running outside!
But I canít tell my wife that! It will be epic! I wonít be able to tell you guys about that one! O ya! Read all the threads, the answers are there to fix your nightmare and welcome to my nightmare! AC

Man the brother/sisterhood we have here is INCREDIBLE. Thanks for all the info everyone. They said it was just what was discussed in this thread and they reprogrammed the ABS and ECM. Only cost me 110 bux. Also they did the Air Conditioner Condenser Fan recall repair. Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeew! Thought this was going to be some major coin, but 110 sounds REALLY good right now! Thanks to all my Club Armada bretheren for sharing their experiences and information. :bow:

Rich, I've never bought new, but I ALWAYS buy CERTIFIED pre-owned. Better warranty and quality of vechicle. At any rate I have nearly 90K on mine and it still runs more than fine. This is the first issue I've ever had with my Armada. (knock on wood)

Maddox540
07-25-2010, 12:51 AM
Hey all,
Our Armada is an '06. This brake problem (soft pedal, front bakes groaning, brake light on) has been going on intermittently for about a month now. It also recently rolled 49,000 miles.

Has anyone found out anything specifically?
Does Nissan recognize the issue?
Are they doing anything about it, or do we have to throw money at it on our own?

Any suggestions or helpful advise would be appreciated.

rich
07-26-2010, 10:30 AM
I have tried to block it out of my mind, it is so annoying!
Read all the threads on this link and pay close attention to Popís comments.
Good luck with the Armada!

just4fununlimited
08-03-2010, 03:06 PM
Hey all,
Our Armada is an '06. This brake problem (soft pedal, front bakes groaning, brake light on) has been going on intermittently for about a month now. It also recently rolled 49,000 miles.

Has anyone found out anything specifically?
Does Nissan recognize the issue?
Are they doing anything about it, or do we have to throw money at it on our own?

Any suggestions or helpful advise would be appreciated.

If you have a remedy please tell me because I am experiencing the same problem right now.

I have tried to block it out of my mind, it is so annoying!
Read all the threads on this link and pay close attention to Popís comments.
Good luck with the Armada!

I agree very annoying!

bsljacques
08-09-2010, 11:17 PM
We just had the issue! Happened this past Saturday light came on at low speed...about 30mph and the noise and such. We pulled over in the burger king lot in Edmond and I told my wife to shut off the car and pop the hood (she was driving). Could not see anything wrong. So today I decided to read up on the forum and BAM! Here is a whole thread dedicated to it!

We bough the SUV used (From Carmax) and it had 54K....now has 70K. Love this truck....want to fix it!

Put me on the list!

2006armada
08-11-2010, 11:18 AM
Just to let you know, I am now going through this same thing with mine. I have had nothing but problems with this truck, mostly brakes (about 8 brake jobs total) and now it is a serious safety issue. First started with the brake light coming on, then no brakes and loud grinding sounds. Had it at the dealer on Friday 8/10 to flash ABS module and even did a brake fluid flush. Worked for 2 days and then the same thing on Monday. Now it is at the dealer again and they tell me that it needs a brake booster. All this for a truck with 48000 miles. I don't trust the truck to put my family in any more. I advise everyone with these problems to call Nissan Corporate affairs (615) 725-1000 and file a complaint. Maybe we can get something done because this definately should be a recall at the least.

vindicar
08-15-2010, 09:21 PM
I have an 04 and the first time it happened wastwo years ago. The dealer" reprogramed the computer" the problem happend again last week. Same "FIX" it has happened 3 time since then. Is ther a solution?

2006armada
08-16-2010, 01:19 PM
I just had to replace the brake booster for another 1k out of pocket. It seems ok so far but I can't trust that it is actually fixed because the problem does go away after you shut it off. I would call nissan at the number I posted and make a complaint. Maybe if enough people complain, something will be done before someone gets killed.

rich
08-17-2010, 11:00 AM
Just wait till you will have to replace all your wheel bearings!
I’m on my last one as we speak! I might not respond to everyone’s emails but ! Read them all.
This break thing is a joke!
I'm disappointed with Nissan! Not that any other car MFG is any better, they are all the same!
Build as cheap as possible and sell for as much as they can get! F the customer!
Then we the customer have to pay for poor quality and replacement parts!
That being said I’m ok with having to replace bearings at 130k. Can’t complain about that!
Well maybe I can! (Welcome to my Nightmare!)

Qaher
08-20-2010, 10:37 AM
I had the same issue 2 days ago. I have a 2005 LE middle East specs ( Bahrain ) and it happened to me atleast 5 times. It has been away since long time ago but it came back coz i drove into a hole in the road while i am doing 5mile/h. but my last time was a year ago and it was gone since 2 days ago coz i have changed the brake pads. but now may be my front brake pads are about time to chang them,so it has to do withkind of sensor that it sense the brake pads are low!!!!my friend has a 2007 QX65 and had the same issue 3 days ago.lol

GottaMada
08-20-2010, 05:18 PM
My 'mada just threw a DELTA S SEN [C1179] while at the dealership. They wanted $145 to apply TSB NTB06-040. I'm going to call around to see if I can get it cheaper at another dealer. There are 5 to choose from within a 30 minute drive from home.

d50h
08-21-2010, 12:15 AM
add me to the list!!! what a crock of s%^t.

J3RR3L
08-31-2010, 08:10 PM
This thread has been beaten to death, but this happened to my wife again. We brought it to the dealership and the same "we have no clue" speech.

rich
09-01-2010, 12:44 PM
You hit the nail on the head with that comment!
But it is amazing that there are so many people that are having this type of problem!
I would think that Nissan would be monitoring these types of sites!
And be proactive! Send us the real answer! Wishful thinking I guess!

ďYour most unhappy Customers are your greatest source of learningĒ
Bill Gates

jpbusguy
09-02-2010, 03:49 PM
Happened to me twice in past 3 mos. Brought to dealer said I need new booster, and switches - $1,011.66. Not eager to shell out the cash. Has anyone changed these and had the problem re-occur?

tcoleman
09-08-2010, 06:09 PM
Took QX56 in today and they recommended before they replace booster to resurface rotors. I already bought upgraded ones so I am having them replace front rotors. Hopefully this will take care of brake judder...

Big Mike
09-08-2010, 09:11 PM
I have an 06 have been having the same problem for a year now. In and out of the dealer for service. Finally this service (while getting the 3 recalls done) the tech tells me that I need to pay them &129.00 to reprogram the brakes. I said what, isnt that covered? He proceeds to tell me "its like an upgrade, you have to upgrade your computers and pay for it". After I calmed down I asked him if he was serious. I couldnt believe he would actually say that. Needless to say, I have contacted Nissan because I am not looking for an upgraded brake system, just one that is reliable and safe.

repo_man
09-14-2010, 02:11 PM
Add another to the list. I've been a member for quite sometime... I bought my 05 SE in 08 and 5 days after we picked it up, the same issue ya'll are talking about happened to my wife and my twin boys. To make a long story short, the dealership never heard of the problem and couldn't duplicate the problem. After reading this thread, I printed the TSB and took it to the service mgr. the they performed the TSB at no charge to me. They reprogrammed the brake controller (i think, but i dont remember that well now, sorry). well, last year while going down a mountain in WV i had cruise on (no brakes were applied) and i saw the brake light come on, right out of the blue. Now being a former mechanic i instantly knew there was a problem with the brake system (hence the light). After nursing the 'mada down the mountain, i shut it off and started it back up and all was well. It happened again a few months ago while driving around town, i did the same thing, all was well... I would've taken it straight to the dealer but it was after hours and it know it was useless cause the code wouldn't be stored (like the 1st time it happened). i just hope the next time it happens, it during hours the dealership is open and can do something about it. thanks again for all the knowledge and help on here, ya'll are a huge help.

d50h
09-16-2010, 06:04 PM
I called the corporate number, dealer says "no issues" I call bs.

zooo
10-16-2010, 05:28 PM
Amazing. We have 135 posts related to the same issue and still no one knows the fix.

boatpuller
10-29-2010, 05:35 AM
I have had a very similar issue. I am deployed. My wife went on a trip and had "brake issues". she said the brakes went crazy and stopped working, brake light came on. she stoped the vehicle, turned it off and checked the brake fluid. This is already more than I would have expected her to do, she is very blonde. The reservoir was low so she drove slowely to a gas station, bought brake fluid and added it. No more problems on the way home. I had her take it to the dealer to remedy the situation. They decided it needed front brakes and a caliper, EXPENSIVE! $600!!! WTF so I come home on R&R. we go on a road trip. Then it happens to me. Driving in rush hour traffic, the vehicle in front of me stops suddenly and i try to also. Almost no brakes at all! ABS is going off and my braking power is about 25%. I have to go to the shoulder. Brake light and ABS light come on and stay on. I limp slowely to a service station, abs going off when applying brakes, and check the fluid, all good. turn truck back on, no warning lights. Take it to a different dealer and rent a car for our vacation. The service person, a cute female, asks me if the vehicle had been hooked to jumper cables. I answered no. Then to double check, call the wife and ask her.
Here is the important part to my long story-It turns out she had used it to jump start our car that had been in the garage all winter. She did not hook the cable to the little jump start pointin the Mada engine compartment, instead hooked it to the battery!! She may have even hooked up the wrong battery first, dead one, live one. FOLLOW THE OWNERS MANUAL WHEN JUMPING THE BATTERY!!!! This fried something in the computer causeing an intermittant failure and could have caused the death of me, my two sons, and wife had it been on the interstate.
Not sure if this is what happend to you or not. I was surprised myself. I contacted the first dealer and bi***ed them out that they had not asked the simple question "has the vehicle been jump started lately?" Luckily, the second dealer knew what they were doing and knew what to ask, that cute, young female. after about $100 in mechanic fees for diagnostic work, the truck is great now. Not sure what they did, but it was all dianostic/computer work. No parts. The second dealer paid for the car rental. Good people!

jpbusguy
11-03-2010, 12:10 AM
Come to think of it, I don't think my brakes acted up until after a jump start (done incorrectly).
What did your dealer do? The dealer I brought mine to said they reprogrammed brake control computer, but it wouldn't work without replacing booster and 2 switches (located under the master cylinder). If your dealer knows what to do, find out what it is.
FYI: for those of you fighting this. When this happens, shift to neutral, turn key off! You can either restart immediately while still moving or stop with semi-normal braking. You will only get one good push from the pedal before you lose power braking, so hold the pedal. Turning off the ignition de-activates the abs control so you have a direct link between the pedal, master cyliner and brakes. Malfunctioning safety features makes me appreciate my vintage cars much more. Simple and reliable.

numbay
02-05-2011, 03:26 PM
I came to the dealer for brake issue on my 2004 Armada,
They wanted to check the brake booster, but I followed advise form other members to get the NTB06-040 done. Will cost $120 and not sure if that will resolve it.....will see.

Boland01
02-28-2011, 10:14 AM
Last week our 2005 Armada did the exact same thing. My wife stepped on the brakes, the pedal went to the floor, the car made a weird sound (ABS), the brake light on the dash came on and no brakes! Fortunately she had the presence of mind to jam on the emergency brake. Very scary and dangerous.
Took it in to the Nissan dealer and they found a trouble code stored. They then replaced the brake booster and delta sensor for $765.00.
My wife just called me from the road this morning and she said when she steps on the brakes lightly the steering wheel goes back and forth and when she steps on the brakes a little harder the wheel goes back and forth and the ABS seems to be trying to kick in. Not good.
All of this has happened in the last 72 hours. I've got a call into to the Nissan Dealer Service Dept right now.

rich
03-01-2011, 03:30 PM
Hey to everyone out that is still getting this thread!
I have not had this problem in some time; I have had all kinds of other problems from day one including the break problem. But none lately!
This has been a nightmare to own, as much as I love this SUV. The people I talk too in the street that own one, it is clear that there has been on going problems!
It saddens me that this car company is not standing behind there product! On top of that this is down right dangerous for our familyís mod of transportation.
As soon as my lown is up, which is very soon my wife will be getting a different MFG SUV. Does anyone have any suggestions? It will have to be big!
And not a NISSRONG.product!

MMieure
07-10-2011, 11:37 PM
I had a 04 Armada. First one off the lot. Back a few years ago occasionally when I would apply the breaks it would go crazy. The car would start shaking and grinding and the breaks would hardly work all of the warning lights on the dash would light up. As soon as I turned the car off everything would reset and all would be fine. After the first time it didn't happen again for about a year. Then it happened again. We took it in twice and both times the service dept were unable to find the problem. They were not able to duplicate it during tests and they didn't have a clue what it could be. Then about a year ago it started happening more often. One day my husband was driving it and he called me to tell me that it happened to him. I told him not to turn the car off and go carefully to the dealer so that they could see for themselves. It worked. I don't know what they had to replace but they fixed the problem. It never happened again. I must say that it was quite scary!

BlakSpyda
07-11-2011, 09:41 PM
Welcome to the club MMieure!

Monsta
07-18-2011, 06:38 AM
I had a 04 Armada. First one off the lot. Back a few years ago occasionally when I would apply the breaks it would go crazy. The car would start shaking and grinding and the breaks would hardly work all of the warning lights on the dash would light up. As soon as I turned the car off everything would reset and all would be fine. After the first time it didn't happen again for about a year. Then it happened again. We took it in twice and both times the service dept were unable to find the problem. They were not able to duplicate it during tests and they didn't have a clue what it could be. Then about a year ago it started happening more often. One day my husband was driving it and he called me to tell me that it happened to him. I told him not to turn the car off and go carefully to the dealer so that they could see for themselves. It worked. I don't know what they had to replace but they fixed the problem. It never happened again. I must say that it was quite scary!


Hello MMieure. Can you find the paperwork that tells you what they did or contact the dealer and find out? My Wife has it happen at least three times in a years timeframe. She always contact me after the fact. I would like to take it to the dealer and say"I know theres a problem and I know that you know. No BS! FIX IT!" When I take it to them now, I have no real proof of whats wrong. If I can identify the part or system, I can tell em to fix it. Yes my dealer is pretty $H###Y where I live. But my only option is Nashville an hr away.

fish1422
08-06-2011, 09:08 PM
Driving to the grocery store and went to slow down to get into driveway and grind grind grind...brake light on and little braking power...has me scared now. Worked OK after turning off and starting back up.

So do we know the status of the lawsuits from the other thread about nearly fatal brake failure. Or is the dealer fixing for free (I doubt it). 2005 SE with 57K miles.

numbay
08-07-2011, 01:31 AM
Dealer will not fix it for free. It has something to do with the delta sensor in the brake booster pump. Delta sensor senses something unusual and sends ABS module to activate when it should not. Dealer had mine replaced and it was $850. Issue has not come back yet since it was replaced few months ago. I am not confident with Nissan as they will play dumb for this issue. I tried to escalate all the way I can and no buzz.

I still recommend adding your vehicle to the lawsuit and also complain to BBB. Perhaps a refund when there is a recall down the road.

Boland01
08-07-2011, 10:58 AM
Ours also went out in the exact same manner. Cost was $760.00 for a new Delta sensor/brake booster. It's a poor design and potentially very dangerous defect.

carypt
08-07-2011, 01:25 PM
i have a similar intermittent problem with my 06 armada too. i dont loose braking power but, the antilock braking system suddenly engages with normal stops. it does have a springy sound too. the brake peddle becomes overly sensitive to foot pressure and the vehicle stops too abruptly. i dont know what is happening but, it is not related to my driving, road condition, pad wear, rotor wear or brake fluid. i presume it is computer or sensor related but, since my brakes are overly sensitive versus under responsive, i have not sought the help from the dealer ( i try to avoid dealer service departments as i have NEVER had a good valued experience there).

cary PT

fish1422
08-08-2011, 12:25 AM
Well driving tonight it did the same thing....turned off and on and OK for a little bit then brake, VDC off, and slip light are all illuminated. Brakes seem to work OK though...there is another thread with 3 lights on as title but waiting for the person who started it on 7-13-11 to respond with what fixed his.

Thanks.

Pops
08-08-2011, 02:18 PM
There's a TSB out about having the BCM reflashed with an updated firmware that resolves the "ArmadaDeathTrap" issue you guys are referring to... TSB's can be found and downloaded from http://www.nissanhelp.com .

Monsta
08-09-2011, 04:41 AM
There's a TSB out about having the BCM reflashed with an updated firmware that resolves the "ArmadaDeathTrap" issue you guys are referring to... TSB's can be found and downloaded from http://www.nissanhelp.com .

The firmware reflash fixes the issue Pops? I have an 04and it ALWAYS happen when my Wife is driving and never when I am so I want to have her take it to the dealership to have it updated.

Pops
08-09-2011, 01:15 PM
The firmware reflash fixes the issue Pops? I have an 04and it ALWAYS happen when my Wife is driving and never when I am so I want to have her take it to the dealership to have it updated.

From the members who've had it done on here, I don't know of any that it didn't fix. I'd have her do it if it were mine.

BlakSpyda
08-09-2011, 03:33 PM
My fix lasted for 4 years.

Monsta
08-10-2011, 12:04 AM
My fix lasted for 4 years.

You had it done four yrs ago and it happened again or you had it done four years ago and still no problems?

numbay
08-10-2011, 11:30 AM
I had done the flash but issue came again.
Added: NTB06-040 is the TSB for this issue.

BlakSpyda
08-11-2011, 11:07 PM
It started again this year. Rarely though.

Maddox540
08-12-2011, 11:20 AM
Hey all,
Our Armada is an '06. This brake problem (soft pedal, front bakes groaning, brake light on) has been going on intermittently for about a month now. It also recently rolled 49,000 miles.

Has anyone found out anything specifically?
Does Nissan recognize the issue?
Are they doing anything about it, or do we have to throw money at it on our own?

Any suggestions or helpful advise would be appreciated.

And update: Our Armada has 64K miles now. The problem still exists, seems to happen more in the summer than winter.

We have taken the vehicle into Cowles Nissan of Woodbridge VA a few times for warranty work. , and each time we mention the problem. There was one instance where I drove it to them while the problem was happening. These people never could figure out anything. Telling me either they found nothing or else trying to sell me something.

It's been a hot/dry summer and it's been happening several times a week. So my wife called Nissan directly. Nissan then goes into the dealerships computer base and sees that we reported the issue, but the dealership never contacted or reported our problems to Nissan. So the people at Nissan said, "Don't worry, we have you covered. We'll take care of it." They set us up an appointment with Pohanka Nissan in Fredereicksburg VA. We dropped the vehicle off, they service people said they know exactly what to do, that Nissan has authorized any work needed. They put us in a rental car and said everything will be taken care of.

We had thought they were just going to flash the VDC as you guys have indicated with the TSB bulletin. But now they are going even farther and will be replacing the break booster as well. The parts are on order so we are in the waiting process. I'll report back with the results and what they found/repaired.

Just so everyone knows, if there is a record of it, even if your vehicle is currently out of manufacturer warranty, Nissan will repair it at no cost. But contact Nissan directly, my wife (I don't have the link, but you can find it) went on to Nissan USA online and complained ...... they responded and put her in touch with a local rep., who then set it up for the work to be done.

BlakSpyda
08-13-2011, 11:36 PM
Outstanding. What number did she call?

fish1422
08-16-2011, 07:56 PM
Sorry for the late post since my last.

Well I fianlly put time into looking at my issue and although my fluid was half way between max and min decided to top off. Then I pulled the front wheels and checked pads and rotors and they seem fine...inside pads are wearing more than outside but outside look pretty much brand new after 50K. I am starting to get some warping when wheels get really hot so I am going to replace anyway. BUT, when I fianlly started my 05 SE back up after all this, the lights all went away (vdc off, slip and brake) and seems to be working OK now for the last week or so.

I am keeping my fingers crossed...but I am constantly aware and always looking at my dash for the brake light to come....don't know if I will ever be fully comfortable driving again.

What a crappy feeling to have when driving a truck I truly love.

Maddox540
08-17-2011, 11:13 AM
Earlier this year we replaced the front pads and the problem went away for almost 6 months. That said, a sure fire way for ours to act up was when we took ours Armada to the local car wash. Every time it comes out of the building the lights are on until we reset everything by turning off the ignition.

Update on my post above.

My wife contacted Nissan USA via e-mail. There is a comment section where she left her information about the problem. (I don't have the link, google it) The factory rep. contacted her and was very helpful. Nissan arranged everything. We dropped the vehicle off at Pohanka Nissan in Fredericksburg Virginia. The service people there where fully aware of the problem. They first installed the current update in the ABS module. The Nissan Rep. (Mr. Roger Ghettler) advised the dealer to replace the break booster because of a "failing Delta Sensor". To my knowledge and reading the service ticket, they didn't do anything to the VDC module unless that's part of the ABS sensor which they updated.

As of yesterday we now have the vehicle back, so far so good, but we'll see what happens in time.

Although our Armada is an '06 w/ 68K miles and is outside the factory warranty, Nissan still paid for everything including the rental car.

BlakSpyda
08-18-2011, 03:09 PM
Outstanding write up Maddox540! Thanks for the info.

cmcfarling
08-26-2011, 11:00 AM
Same issue for me with my 2006 Armada. This has happened 3 times in the last 2 months. After the second time I took it to the dealership and showed them the TSB and a few of the hundreds of posts related to this issue. Of course they couldn't retrieve an error code so they suggested it was due to the battery terminals having corrosion on them. Yeah right. They completely blew off the need to possibly reprogram the VDC. 10 days after getting it back the problem happened again while my wife was driving with the kids in busy traffic coming to a stop light. She had to swerve to the shoulder to avoid an accident. I took it back in this week an low and behold they discovered that the TSB I talked to them about last time may apply here.

In the meantime I had contacted Nissan directly and filed a complaint. A case was opened and a rep just got back to me today. She is saying that since the vehicle is out of warranty this is not something they would normally cover but in this case they will reimburse up to $500 for repairs. The dealership wants $150 to reprogram the VDC. From reading posts on forums like this I'm not convinced that simply reprogramming the VDC will fix it. It sounds like the brake booster may be the root cause anyway. To replace the brake booster is about $690. So to have them do both and hopefully be rid of this issue for good I'm looking at $840, not to mention the $50 they charged last time to clean the battery. I'm going to go ahead and have them do both and see if I can squeeze Nissan for more than $500.

BlakSpyda
09-01-2011, 02:55 PM
Welcome cmcfarling!

Glad they are doing something for you!

Dad_Roman
09-02-2011, 06:06 PM
Intresting, mine does this too.

Maybe once every six months and not too bad so it doesnt bother me or the wife. I can actually kick it in to neutral and restart while on the move. Yea yea I know this isnt cool but thats the level it bothers me (as in "doesnt")

I have noticed only one other person (didnt read all 17 pages) that said they got a SENSITIVE pedal when this happens. I also have this phenomenon. I would guess my braking power doubles when this happens so its not a problem. (as opposed to losing 50% braking...sorry for those folks)

Also one other interesting point. No one can reproduce this, and also claims there is no "pothole, dust, rock" etc. but i CAN reproduce mine. There is a specific spot in the road in Houston that mine will glitch probably 50% of the time. Just the right "curve-bump-while braking" combination.

I have also noticed I can ALWAYS account for mine actuating, always wheel slip, dust, rock, crack etc.

I always thought the ABS was doing what it was supposed to (except for the key off reset) so I never gave it much thought:rolleyes:

.....still the finest vehicle Ive ever owned;)

arlingtonarmada
09-02-2011, 06:54 PM
I have not been able to respond or chime in much lately but i have to on this one. Just like what Roman said, It happens to me about two or three times every 4 to 6 months or so, also I can reproduce this same effect too.

Tad Wicks
09-06-2011, 07:39 PM
Hi all, new to the site, i signed up just to comment on this thread. I haven't read all 17 pages as of yet. "06" armada 4x4 60k, i believe that we are on brake booster #3 or #4, i have lost track, and countless times to check the brakes, it all starts when air temp is close to the 100 f mark, the red "brake" light on the dash comes on along with the "vdc" and "slip" lights as well, brakes grab and make bad noises and will do so until the car is shut off and allowed to cool, usually overnight or when the air temp drops. We just got back from the shop last week. It has been to two different dealers, i have called nissan with little results. I believe that the techs are doing everything in their power to fix it, but the problem persists. I am really glad that i bought the extended warranty, we would be screwed without it, there has been a lot of little problems (door rattle and seal issues, seat squeaks, air conditioning, suspension air compressor and others that i have forgotten). On the other hand, with all its problems it is still, by far, a better car, than anything else in it's class. A quick question, the driver's bottom seat is a bit thread bare (not leather), a new bottom seat is close to $300, is there something else one can do other than a seat cover? Thanks; tad

BlakSpyda
09-07-2011, 01:40 PM
Welcome Tad Wicks!

Off topic, but have you taken it to an upholsterer to see what they would charge?

Oh-mada
09-20-2011, 05:18 PM
Also new to this forum. Same problem with my 2004. It has been happening every few months since 2006 but has gotten progressively worse. Was told by dealer a few years ago that it was an ABS Actuator and parts/labor was around $3K. I just traded it in for a new 2011. Love the Armada. Hate the ABS problem. Seems like many of the posters have 2008 and older models. Hope it is fixed in the 2011.

Kooshtaka
09-20-2011, 07:47 PM
Welcome to the Club Oh-mada!

cmcfarling
09-21-2011, 01:09 AM
Final charges were $902 to replace brake booster and reprogram VDC. I was able to get Nissan to cough up $750. Not too bad, I'll live with that.

Monsta
09-23-2011, 03:18 PM
So if this problem is known by Nissan, who would be at fault if someone got into an accident? Plowed right into someones car in front of them. It would take me hours to read this thread with the satellite service I have (Afghanistan) so I really don't know if its been addressed in here.

Pops
09-23-2011, 04:25 PM
So if this problem is known by Nissan, who would be at fault if someone got into an accident? Plowed right into someones car in front of them. It would take me hours to read this thread with the satellite service I have (Afghanistan) so I really don't know if its been addressed in here.

Good question... All i know is they have a TSB about reflashing the ABS in the BCM to fix the ABS problem.

vcran
09-23-2011, 09:42 PM
I have the same problem too! Emergency brake light comes on and grinding brakes! Been to shop 3 times and still no fix!

BlakSpyda
09-24-2011, 12:28 PM
Below is just my opinion based on my experience only.

As much as this issue has risen, I cannot recall anyone actually getting into an accident as a result of it. I pray that no one does, but no accident has been posted on this thread as a result. Just the fact.

Since I had my reset done there have been a few reocurrences. No time have the brakes not stopped the vehicle or failed me. Yeah, it will give you some serious anxiety and make you think they don't work, but the brakes will still work. I have 146,000 miles on the vehicle and the reset was done back in 2008.

It is a niusance, so stay in Nissan's but until you get your vehicle fixed.

stldave2
10-05-2011, 04:59 PM
Just yesterday I brought my '04 Armada w/ 60k miles to my local Nissan dealer for the "failing brake" problem. As expected, they came back and told me that the readings of the delta sensor are out of spec. They want $1,800 to replace the whole hydraulic control unit. I asked about the TSB and he said there is no code thrown, just numbers out of spec so a reflash wouldn't help.

How would you all recommend me proceed? I have been reading and searching all afternoon but I can't find concrete answers anywhere.

Should I just ask them to reflash the VDC and wait and see if it happens again? Should I contact Nissan USA and see if they will cover it?


Sorry to rehash old news, but they have my car and are twisting my arm to spend a lot of money. I don't want to waste it if it can be fixed cheaper/easier. Thanks guys!

BlakSpyda
10-06-2011, 08:17 PM
Welcome stldave2!

My suggestion. I would Inform them of all you have found here and have them flash the BCM anyway! If you are not satisfied, contact Nissan.

andy
10-11-2011, 04:10 AM
Just yesterday I brought my '04 Armada w/ 60k miles to my local Nissan dealer for the "failing brake" problem. As expected, they came back and told me that the readings of the delta sensor are out of spec. They want $1,800 to replace the whole hydraulic control unit. I asked about the TSB and he said there is no code thrown, just numbers out of spec so a reflash wouldn't help.

How would you all recommend me proceed? I have been reading and searching all afternoon but I can't find concrete answers anywhere.

Should I just ask them to reflash the VDC and wait and see if it happens again? Should I contact Nissan USA and see if they will cover it?


Sorry to rehash old news, but they have my car and are twisting my arm to spend a lot of money. I don't want to waste it if it can be fixed cheaper/easier. Thanks guys!There's class action law suit. email nicky@justice4you.com
also, i emailed Nissan Consumer affairs today. nissan knows about this defect and has done nothing about it. it's been years. I don't want money, just my brakes fixed. I complained since the 2005 and I had the retrofit done. Didn't help. Probably for a different issue/problem though.

Springgeyser
10-11-2011, 09:32 PM
Hi Guys/Gals,

I am going to replace my brake booster. Is there an updated(revised) OEM brake booster from Nissan or am I buying "a future problem" OEM booster?

http://www.courtesyparts.com/kb_search_result.php?keywords=[47210]+\%28TA60&cPath=1063_1064_1154_1161

On the link above, are all the OEM brake booster the same and one would assume the latest 2007 model (47210-TA60004) the latest and greatest?

or would going aftermarket be a better bet at half the cost?
http://www.amazon.com/Power-Brake-Booster-160-89150-New/dp/B000JZD2LA/ref=au_pf_pfg_s?ie=UTF8&Model=Pathfinder%7C893&n=15684181&s=automotive&Make=Nissan%7C67&Year=2004%7C2004&newCar=1&carId=001

thanks.

stldave2
10-12-2011, 12:28 PM
There's class action law suit. email nicky@justice4you.com
also, i emailed Nissan Consumer affairs today. nissan knows about this defect and has done nothing about it. it's been years. I don't want money, just my brakes fixed. I complained since the 2005 and I had the retrofit done. Didn't help. Probably for a different issue/problem though.

I contacted Nissan directly, after FINALLY getting to someone who at least was interested in what I had to say they agreed to cover the cost of all parts. I still have to pay for labor but at this point I will take what I can get.

BlakSpyda
10-13-2011, 11:01 PM
Belated welcome Oh-mada!

WileyCoyote
11-01-2011, 05:12 PM
About 3 months ago my wife called me and said there was something wrong with the brakes on our Armada, said it was making a really bad griding sound and didn't feel right. She was only a few blocks from her destination in a small town so I told her to drive slow and carefully, I figured it was just really worn pads (I don't drive it very often and had been intending to check the brakes as it has about 45k miles). I went to pick her up and it seemed fine to me. Plenty of pad left, no grooves in the rotors. I took it in for service and everything was fine. I told her, "this is why women shouldn't drive cars". She must have had the parking brake on or something silly like that.

About a week ago I was driving down from the mountains with our four young kids (oldest is 5) and on a steep grade I noticed the brakes felt funny. suddenly the ABS kicked in on one wheel and the brake light came on. I called the local dealer who was on the way home and asked if I could stop in and have them diagnose it while the light was still on and problem was repeatable.

Diagnosed the problem, code C1179, sensor was working but recomended replacing the brake booster and retesting- a mere $795.

Does this sound right? Replace the most expensive part, then see if the problem goes away?

Pops
11-01-2011, 05:28 PM
I would ask them to do the TSB on reflashing the BCM first. But then again, you're talking about a safety feature here that could affect your wife and kids instead of you, so it might be worth having them do both.

WileyCoyote
11-01-2011, 07:10 PM
Dear Nissan,

The brake system on my 2007 Armada has malfunctioned several times. The last time the dealer was able to determine a fault code C1179. The dealer charged me $115 to tell me that the brake booster should be replaced and that MIGHT solve the problem. I did some research and there seems to a lot of people with Armada / Titans experiencing brake problems. I would like to get mine fixed, but I do not think it is fair to charge me almost $800 for a repair that MIGHT solve the problem. Didn't Toyota recently have trouble with brake systems? They did a pretty good job of taking of the problem without generating too much negative publicity. Can you offer me some sort of solution? Or should I pursue this the way Toyota customers did?

FamilyAssaultVehicle
11-01-2011, 08:10 PM
Hello there Wiley! I have read of a couple Mada owners having their Master Vacuum Assembly (brake booster) replaced after having the shuddering or grinding noise at the brake pedal and most have reported good so far. I take it your 3yr/36000 mile warranty is up being at 45000 which is why they are stiffing you the bill?:( 800.00 is a lot to swallow these days but look at it this way, your service department diagnosed the problem and recommended to replace the brake booster for you, therefore the service department should credit you, sorry I say again, is supposed to credit you with the one hour diagnosis toward your total repair bill which should bring you down to about 675 give or take? Normally new parts come with a one year warranty, I know, I know, it sucks but they can get away with it. Damn them!:damn: If that doesn't fix the problem then the bill should definitely be on them from there on out due to misdiagnosis; if they are an honest dealership that is..............:rolleyes: Good luck man.

WileyCoyote
11-01-2011, 09:05 PM
Thanks, its good to hear that the problem is usually solved and $800 isn't so bad, as long as it does fix the problem. My biggest concern is the lack of confidence the service guy had. It was sort of like, "Well, I see the error code, but the sensor tests good, so I guess we can just replace the whole unit and that should fix it."

Just so I'm clear here, since there seems to be a bit bashing going on. I have been extremely happy with my Armada. Most of my friends drive Tahoe / Yukons and there is no comparison. It is absolutly the best driving 2 ton urban assalt vehicle on the market. I'm more of a car guy (although I drive a Chevy 2500HD diesel, but its a work truck), but I got 4 kids in car seats and even your average mini-van won't easily accomodate them and all the junk that has to go with them.

FamilyAssaultVehicle
11-01-2011, 11:52 PM
Hey Wiley, I sure do appreciate your positive outlook on this matter and in your Mada, seriously:udaman:. Between my wife and me, we have a total of 7 kids, one grandbaby from my wifes oldest daughter, turning 3 this weekend and another grandbaby due this month from my oldest daughter. Dont worry, we're younger than we look! Hahaha! I think Nissan is going to have to design a Full size van seating 15; maybe call it "Nissan Enterprise Custom Van"! So, being a father or lion of your pride, you try and keep every one of your babies safe, especially in a vehicle in the middle of the crazy jungle we call streets and highways. I don't blame anybody for giving up on their Mada; different wants and different expectations; but safety is ultimately everyones priority here. Nissan has the right idea and a solid platform to build from; just need to work on the safety stuff in more detail. Our Titan/Armada babies are only 7 going on 8 years young. Compare that to the 100 years of Chevy; and hell look at Ford with selling their first car in 1903! And yet still there are safety recalls on all of them as well. Just look it up and you will see. I think we Datsun/Nissan fans really believe in this Titan/Armada platform. I most certainly do..........:goteam:

BlakSpyda
11-02-2011, 05:22 PM
Welcome to CA WileyCoyote!

Hey Wiley, I sure do appreciate your positive outlook on this matter and in your Mada, seriously:udaman:. Between my wife and me, we have a total of 7 kids, one grandbaby from my wifes oldest daughter, turning 3 this weekend and another grandbaby due this month from my oldest daughter. Dont worry, we're younger than we look! Hahaha! I think Nissan is going to have to design a Full size van seating 15; maybe call it "Nissan Enterprise Custom Van"! So, being a father or lion of your pride, you try and keep every one of your babies safe, especially in a vehicle in the middle of the crazy jungle we call streets and highways. I don't blame anybody for giving up on their Mada; different wants and different expectations; but safety is ultimately everyones priority here. Nissan has the right idea and a solid platform to build from; just need to work on the safety stuff in more detail. Our Titan/Armada babies are only 7 going on 8 years young. Compare that to the 100 years of Chevy; and hell look at Ford with selling their first car in 1903! And yet still there are safety recalls on all of them as well. Just look it up and you will see. I think we Datsun/Nissan fans really believe in this Titan/Armada platform. I most certainly do..........:goteam:
Outstanding response. Sometimes we have to put things in perspective.

boatpuller
11-03-2011, 03:22 PM
Everyone having had the abs problem should contact Nicky at Nicky@justice4you.com The law firm she is with is filing a class action suit against Nissan. It is helpful if you have the receipt. Hopefully we can all come together and get some re-embursement for work completed but more importantly, get Nissan to issue a recall before someone or a whole family gets killed. Nicky is working hard to collect info for all of us and take action. It won't take much of your time and it can help everyone that has or will have abs issues with our armada's.

boatpuller
11-03-2011, 03:26 PM
Btw-I do not work for the law firm and have a armada myself. That was in no way a plug for the law firm. I checked them out and they don't ask for any personal information.

numbay
11-03-2011, 05:30 PM
Everyone having had the abs problem should contact Nicky at Nicky@justice4you.com The law firm she is with is filing a class action suit against Nissan. It is helpful if you have the receipt. Hopefully we can all come together and get some re-embursement for work completed but more importantly, get Nissan to issue a recall before someone or a whole family gets killed. Nicky is working hard to collect info for all of us and take action. It won't take much of your time and it can help everyone that has or will have abs issues with our armada's.

I second that, I have been in touch with them, and my case is also in the file.
What helps is if you have a log for time and when issue happened (specific information)
I sent the original brake booster to the lawfirm, and they will use it to as an evidence/study.

FamilyAssaultVehicle
11-03-2011, 06:08 PM
Wow.............you are startin to worry me now:(. Just curious boatpuller, what year is your Mada? Just wanted to ask because my sis has got an 08 SE. Oh and make sure you read tracydr01's latest post on her brake situation; hers is an 05 with only 15000 miles. A lot of good info to absorb. Blakspyda has very good threads to reference on all this too.

Believe_ET.2
11-03-2011, 09:38 PM
I have had no issues with my breaks or anything similar, however, the people that are saying they have issues must really are experiencing this, otherwise they would not say it. Im sure each to their own have their concerning issues....

Just a thought....

Believe

FamilyAssaultVehicle
11-03-2011, 09:45 PM
Here, here Believe! I second that thought and I just have to say, I believe in you, and our Armadas...........:goteam:

Kreutz73
11-03-2011, 11:02 PM
FamilyAssult.... you said it best... look at Ford and Chev! Building cars for over a century and still doing safety RECALLS. You only missed one part... Nissan isn't doing a RECALL on this.

Take a step back and look at this for a second, all the people on this site complaining about this aren't anti-nissan, they obviously love their nissans as much as you, the ones who don't come here for answers and comfort trade their car in and get something they feel is more reliable and safe. But the posters here have had problems, serious ones at that, and are getting jerked around by the company that builds the cars they love. Nissan needs to step up and do a recall on this... there is no doubt they need to. They've done a pile of recalls for less.

I work for an OEM at the corporate level, I know first hand how difficult these situations can be for the engineers and management at corporate that need to identify and deal with this problem. The issue here is that they don't know what the issue is. Could be a faulty sensor, faulty program logic, etc. It's clearly not mechanical and not as visible as it needs to be to be fixed. Unfortunately, everything comes down to money and a business decision. From the corporate liability and risk point of view the Armada is a low volume truck and therefore a random and 'occassional' issue is lower risk. That's the approach they are taking here, but rather than wait to see what happens they need to step up because of the seriousness of this particular issue. Honestly, it turns into a marketing and branding issue more than a liability issue.

Anyways, I think that's why this thread is as long as it is. There are a lot of people in love with their Mada that feel frustrated and robbed. I'm one of them.

Boland01
11-04-2011, 11:24 AM
I just sent my ABS/Brake failure as well as repair receipt to Nicky to be a part of the pending class action lawsuit. I encourage everyone that has had this scary safety issue to do the same.

Nissan continues has ignore this problem and I was given no assurance from the dealer that replacing the brake booster as well as the delta sensor was a permanent fix.

Brakes a way too important not have 100% of the time. It is only a matter of time before somone gets killed unless Nissan steps up to the plate and fixes the problem.

FamilyAssaultVehicle
11-06-2011, 11:05 AM
Very well said Kreutz. I will step out of the sandbox and gather myself. I can look at it this way, yall who are fighting to get your ABS problems fixed, stick with it and dont give up. And those of you who are not having any brake issues, glad to hear that as well. My last thought for all who stick true to our Armada's, "Semper Fi".:D I got your six!

Kreutz73
11-06-2011, 01:03 PM
Thanks for the support FAV. lol... all this talk about the ABS is giving me bad karma. Had the issue again yesterday when the wife ran out to grab some groceries. She knows about the issue and knew what to do and because it was a short drive she was just fine. A couple of restarts didn't fix it this time. Same thing happened in the summer and I got a chance to play with it and the symptoms (posted in one of the ABS threads here).
:crikey:

I've been to 3 dealers and none of them can find a problem, say everything is perfect, and none of them would reflash my BCM (the TSB says a certain code is required - my car doesn't seem to be throwing the code) I'm not willing to give up on this thing... it's the ultimate family bus and meets all my needs for towing as well. I think I might try replacing the brake booster.

Kreutz73
11-06-2011, 01:15 PM
Question for those who have or had this problem...

- what's the longest you've gone between incidents?
- when it does happen... about how long was it after you started the car?

we've had the problem about 8 or 9 times in 3 years. only 3 were when I was driving... the rest of the time the wife had it. It happened to my wife 2 or 3 times before it happened to me... lol, I just thought she was doing something wrong (feel bad about that now :p)

Every time it's happened to us it happened shortly after starting the car and all happened when the car was running for a while before we started moving at any decent speed.

Makes me wonder if there's any connection to the issue and the regular ABS check that the car performs once you start driving. Everytime you start the car the ABS system does a test, this usually happens as soon as you start driving more than 15mph or so (there's a specific speed that activates the test, just don't recall exactly what it is). Every time we've had the issue the car was running and moving slowly or parked for several minutes before getting to the speed required to do the ABS test. FYI... the abs test sounds like the spring noise... just makes the sound once and then everything is normal.

The longest we've gone without the issue was probably the first 10-12 months we had it and about 9 months that ended with the summer incident.

andy
11-06-2011, 01:45 PM
Question for those who have or had this problem...

- what's the longest you've gone between incidents?
- when it does happen... about how long was it after you started the car?

we've had the problem about 8 or 9 times in 3 years. only 3 were when I was driving... the rest of the time the wife had it. It happened to my wife 2 or 3 times before it happened to me... lol, I just thought she was doing something wrong (feel bad about that now :p)

Every time it's happened to us it happened shortly after starting the car and all happened when the car was running for a while before we started moving at any decent speed.

Makes me wonder if there's any connection to the issue and the regular ABS check that the car performs once you start driving. Everytime you start the car the ABS system does a test, this usually happens as soon as you start driving more than 15mph or so (there's a specific speed that activates the test, just don't recall exactly what it is). Every time we've had the issue the car was running and moving slowly or parked for several minutes before getting to the speed required to do the ABS test. FYI... the abs test sounds like the spring noise... just makes the sound once and then everything is normal.

The longest we've gone without the issue was probably the first 10-12 months we had it and about 9 months that ended with the summer incident.
Happens every 1-2 months usually on hot days, and right after I come to complete stop. Like at red light or pulled over at curb waiting.
car has always been running for awhile and completely warmed up.
I know it's coming because the brake light turns on and if I'm lucky enough to notice it, I'll find an area where no one is around and stop. Turn off ignition and restart again. That's has "fixed" it each time.

Boland01
11-07-2011, 10:09 AM
It happened to us twice about a week apart. Frist time my wife had just left the grocery store and just started to come home. Second time it happened to me after I had been driving for about 15 miles or so. We took it in the next day. Nissan Dealer did say it set a code. They replaced the brake booster (and Delta sensor) as well as reflashed te computer. That was 7 months ago. Haven't had anymore issues since then to date.

WileyCoyote
11-07-2011, 12:15 PM
Hey Kruetz73,

I have to laugh, I figured my wife just did something wrong also! Guess I'm not the only bad husband... LOL.

Happend to her at a stop sign out of town after driving about 5 miles - first time about 4 months ago.

Happend to me a couple weeks ago coming down from the mountains on a steep downhill grade after driving for about 40 minutes.

I took is straight to the dealer on the way home and had them check it without ever shutting off the engine - it was a Saturday but I can be persuasive. Haven't got it fixed yet.

anthracite
11-14-2011, 06:26 PM
New guy here. For those that have replaced the brake booster, has this cured your braking ills? Please advise. We are looking at an '05 and I won't buy it unless they are willing to give me the new brake booster (I have the part number). Thanks,

Steve K.

BlakSpyda
11-14-2011, 09:42 PM
Most folks that have had the brake booster and brake module reset have had minimul issues.

Pmonty
11-14-2011, 10:50 PM
Beginning to wonder if this site is moderated or at least monitored by the folks from Nissan. This brake problem is very wide-spread, with direct experience both on my personal vehicle and that of a co-worker. Do some more research on the net if you still think the ABS was "doing what it is supposed to" as my wife and kids almost pack somebody in the ***. Mine was supposidly fixed by the dealer "reprogramming" the ABS controller. Worked for a while. Highly intermittant, and from what I can glean, it is an issue with both the powerbooster and the ABS controller. This problem is very real, hopefully it will not require a fatality to push the folks at Nissan to step up to the plate.

Boland01
11-15-2011, 08:52 AM
On my 2005 LE the delta sensor-brake booster were replaced last February as well as having the ecu reflash. Since then no reocurring braking issues.

numbay
11-15-2011, 12:22 PM
I had the brake booster replaced in late June 2011, and issue has not come back yet. I have a 2004 Armada 96K.

ajdowdell
11-16-2011, 12:59 PM
2006 Armada, we bought it with ~65k miles in 2009. First occurance was a cold sunny fall day. I was headed to my grandma's funeral and didn't have time/clothes to deal with it. it happened immediately after starting and pulling out of parking spot. I was driving... Restart fixed it. I'm pretty mechnically/electrically inclined and have worked on quite a few vehicles. I decided it was probably a sensor glitch/failure and that I would diagnose it if/when it ever came back.

Fast forward 3 months happened again while i was driving and the wife tried to claim since I was "hard" on vehicles it was something that I was doing that cause it. Again restart fixed the problem.

Fast forward another 3 months or so happened again only to her this time. again immediately after starting, cruising thorough the parking lot.

It has happened a couple times since to both her and I in varying heat and temperature combinations.

I think its absurd to charge $100+ dollars to "flash the computer" I understand if they are charging per hour or what ever... It's just like the tire pressure monitoring system when the valve stem broke... I refused to pay that to have them add the new sensor so I simply had a standard valve stem put in for $5 and check my own tire pressures.

$800 for a brake booster replacement sounds a bit excessive to me... I'll do the labor myself...

anthracite
11-16-2011, 07:10 PM
Well, we purchased the vehicle last night. Hopefully we won't have any issues, but if we do, I know what the fix is.

Steve

Tad Wicks
11-16-2011, 08:12 PM
As I recall I am on booster #3 and probably 3x that many trips to the dealer because of the brake/ VDC/slip lights coming on and erratic braking. The problem in our 06 Armada is definitely ambient temperature related, it always happens when it is close to 100'F. I think that there is also an adjustment between the pedal and booster that is critical, booster replacement has not cured all our problems. But, Nissan and the dealers have been great to try and remedy the problem, but I am glad that I bought the extended warranty and they have extended that further because of the problems we have had, possibly because of bordering on the lemon law. I would certainly like to see Nissan volunteer a fix to make it all go away, the Armada is a great car, it is much better than anything else in it's class, now if they could make it get 50 mpg, I would really be tickled:), maybe a Diesel, Nissan/Chrysler built a 6 cylinder diesel years ago (1975)that was used in the IH Scout, it wasn't much for power, non-turbo, I think the Scout would do 0-60mph in about 25 seconds, but it was sure easy on fuel. Tad

numbay
12-30-2011, 02:02 PM
We need more cases added. Please contact Nicky @ Arnold Law firm to get some movement on this.

tshatz
02-27-2012, 12:07 AM
My wife has experienced similer problems to what you discribed. Also wrote a thread, here on site. We want Nissan to buy-back our Armada! They say "Nissan is not in the position to repurchase your vehicle at this time." We now have a lawyer to take the complaint. Are you aware of the class action law suit in CA?

Pops
02-27-2012, 12:26 AM
Troy, you really need to get that fixed one way or another... I would strongly suggest calling around to all the dealership service depts in a 50 mile radius to find one who will willingly fix it.

SDarmada
02-27-2012, 02:00 AM
guys, I am checking a new 2011 Armada right now and think I am going to buy it. But the stories I read in this thread scared me. Do you know if Nissan has fixed this issue on their later models? SOunds like Armada is a great truck but I need to have confidence in safety. thank you guys in advance for your input.

rsoto80
02-27-2012, 06:40 AM
guys, I am checking a new 2011 Armada right now and think I am going to buy it. But the stories I read in this thread scared me. Do you know if Nissan has fixed this issue on their later models? SOunds like Armada is a great truck but I need to have confidence in safety. thank you guys in advance for your input.

Hard to say if they fixed it or not. The latest year I've heard this happen to was to a 2010 armada.

Pops
02-27-2012, 08:38 AM
guys, I am checking a new 2011 Armada right now and think I am going to buy it. But the stories I read in this thread scared me. Do you know if Nissan has fixed this issue on their later models? SOunds like Armada is a great truck but I need to have confidence in safety. thank you guys in advance for your input.

Alot of people don't understand that Nissan has NO authority over dealerships. It's really a dealership's choice whether or not they fix something. There are good dealerships and there are bad ones. For everyone who's posted in terror on this thread, all they have to do is check around with other dealerships around them until they find one who is willing to fix it hassle free, but alot of people would prefer to panic and raise caine instead.

To answer your question, call around to the local Nissan service depts and talk as if you have one with this problem, tell them it is not reproducae, and see what they say. If they all say they have to reproduce it to see for themselves, then they're idiots and I would not buy any Nissan from anyone. If one or two admit this is a known problem in earlier years so they will be willing to look into and pursuit fixing it, then you're in good hands.

I know that sounds stupid and is rediculous. I have no idea why it's that way, I'm just one of the people who had to figure that out for myself so I have to drive 30 miles across town to get good support instead of going just 5 miles down the road to the nearest dealership. Think it's tough getting warranty work done on a stock Armada?? Try lifting and modifying one, that's when you quickly weed through the bad dealerships until finding a good one. The nearest dealership here actually tried to tell me that NISSAN blamed my cracked windshield on the suspension lift. That was the first time I told the Service Manager he was a friggin' idiot. The 2nd time was when he told me NISSAN refused to fix my front diff because of the lift. Funny I found another dealership to fix it so I called in and NISSAN had NO reports from the first dealership.

You just gotta understand that some dealerships are ripoffs and no one has authority over them while others are great, that's all there is to it. I have no idea why, it's just the way it is.

tchjts1
02-27-2012, 11:02 AM
Add me to the list of owners that this has happened to. On a recent trip from PA to NC, near the end of the trip, I noticed the brake light was on. I figured I must have bumped the parking brake pedal and notched it down enough to turn the light on.

I was coming up on some traffic and engaged the brakes... there was the grinding and loss of braking power everyone mentions. Pulled off to the side of the road, shut down and restarted... that corrected the issue.

First time I experienced this on my '07 LE, which I have owned for about 2 years now. If I experience it again, I will know to head to my nearest dealer while the issue is still active.

Pops
02-27-2012, 11:15 AM
I wouldn't wait. There is no way you can drive it to a dealer while it's active. I would demand they take my word for it, especially since it's a known issue with a documented fix.

MMieure
02-27-2012, 11:47 PM
I wouldn't wait. There is no way you can drive it to a dealer while it's active. I would demand they take my word for it, especially since it's a known issue with a documented fix.

That is just what we did. I took the Armada in And told them that there was an issue. They couldnt find it. It happened with my husband driving and he just drove it straight to the dealer and didn't turn the car off untill they came out and looked into it. They fixed something. It was around 700.00. It never happened again. It was an 04 Armada and this was in 09. I traded in for an 11 last June. I sure hope this issue is fixed! I love my car! Now I am having a rotten egg smell. I need to go in and see what the trouble is.

Pops
02-28-2012, 12:10 AM
Rotten egg is from sulpher from a bad catalytic converter.. I'd bave them find which one and replace it under the 80k mile emission warranty.

MMieure
02-28-2012, 12:30 AM
Rotten egg is from sulpher from a bad catalytic converter.. I'd bave them find which one and replace it under the 80k mile emission warranty.

Thank you I knew what it was (catalytic converter). I just didn't know how to spell it. :) it is only 8 months old. I don't think I will have to fight too much to get it fixed.

SDarmada
02-28-2012, 02:24 AM
I hear you. will make some calls tomorrow. thanks!

Alot of people don't understand that Nissan has NO authority over dealerships. It's really a dealership's choice whether or not they fix something. There are good dealerships and there are bad ones. For everyone who's posted in terror on this thread, all they have to do is check around with other dealerships around them until they find one who is willing to fix it hassle free, but alot of people would prefer to panic and raise caine instead.

To answer your question, call around to the local Nissan service depts and talk as if you have one with this problem, tell them it is not reproducae, and see what they say. If they all say they have to reproduce it to see for themselves, then they're idiots and I would not buy any Nissan from anyone. If one or two admit this is a known problem in earlier years so they will be willing to look into and pursuit fixing it, then you're in good hands.

I know that sounds stupid and is rediculous. I have no idea why it's that way, I'm just one of the people who had to figure that out for myself so I have to drive 30 miles across town to get good support instead of going just 5 miles down the road to the nearest dealership. Think it's tough getting warranty work done on a stock Armada?? Try lifting and modifying one, that's when you quickly weed through the bad dealerships until finding a good one. The nearest dealership here actually tried to tell me that NISSAN blamed my cracked windshield on the suspension lift. That was the first time I told the Service Manager he was a friggin' idiot. The 2nd time was when he told me NISSAN refused to fix my front diff because of the lift. Funny I found another dealership to fix it so I called in and NISSAN had NO reports from the first dealership.

You just gotta understand that some dealerships are ripoffs and no one has authority over them while others are great, that's all there is to it. I have no idea why, it's just the way it is.

SDarmada
02-28-2012, 02:26 AM
I am thinking about a 2011 -- that's pretty close

Hard to say if they fixed it or not. The latest year I've heard this happen to was to a 2010 armada.

Tad Wicks
04-14-2012, 05:49 PM
Hi all, new to the site, i signed up just to comment on this thread. I haven't read all 17 pages as of yet. "06" armada 4x4 60k, i believe that we are on brake booster #3 or #4, i have lost track, and countless times to check the brakes, it all starts when air temp is close to the 100 f mark, the red "brake" light on the dash comes on along with the "vdc" and "slip" lights as well, brakes grab and make bad noises and will do so until the car is shut off and allowed to cool, usually overnight or when the air temp drops. We just got back from the shop last week. It has been to two different dealers, i have called nissan with little results. I believe that the techs are doing everything in their power to fix it, but the problem persists. I am really glad that i bought the extended warranty, we would be screwed without it, there has been a lot of little problems (door rattle and seal issues, seat squeaks, air conditioning, suspension air compressor and others that i have forgotten). On the other hand, with all its problems it is still, by far, a better car, than anything else in it's class. A quick question, the driver's bottom seat is a bit thread bare (not leather), a new bottom seat is close to $300, is there something else one can do other than a seat cover? Thanks; tad

Update, We just had booster failure #4, They replaced the booster and Delta sensor. I am done with it, I no longer trust the car or the brakes. Does anybody have any experience with the Lemon Law, this is just getting ridiculous, at least 10 different trips to the dealers for brake light warnings including 4 boosters, I am fed up. Tad

andy
04-14-2012, 06:44 PM
Update, We just had booster failure #4, They replaced the booster and Delta sensor. I am done with it, I no longer trust the car or the brakes. Does anybody have any experience with the Lemon Law, this is just getting ridiculous, at least 10 different trips to the dealers for brake light warnings including 4 boosters, I am fed up. Tad

So if it's not the booster or the Delta sensor, what's left? I'm sure Nissan knows exactly but won't admit to it. I'll spend the money to fix if I know for sure what to replace.

rsoto80
04-14-2012, 07:35 PM
Are you positive they are replacing the booster each time? Some dealers will just reprogram the brakes and hope that it will fix it. There have been cases where the reprogram doesn't fix it permanently.

Tad Wicks
04-14-2012, 07:36 PM
Andy, I have no problem with the car if I knew for sure that it is fixed for good, but they have told me every time that it is fixed and somewhere 500 miles from home it fails again, and again, and again. This time and the last I was assured that the replacement booster was the "new and improved version" and the replacement Delta sensor has solved all problems on all other cars that the Nissan factory rep diagnosed?????? so why did it take the over a week to diagnose this car and I don't have it back yet. Last time it failed, Nissan Tech was involved and it was "FIXED FOR GOOD" I call " BULLSH###T " some thing is wrong. I do intend to pursue Lemon Law.


rsoto80, the service department at two different dealers have told me the codes have read bad booster , now did they replace them each time??? the paper work says so and Nissan Corp extended my already extended warranty a bit more. BTW this car has only 64K

Thanks Tad

dayton
06-12-2012, 06:32 PM
Our 2006 SE did it again last week. This time my wife was driving. The last time this happened, about 2 years ago, the dealer sent it out to another dealer and reflashed to enter updated software. We were told it was fixed.
Well because we like the truck so much we traded our 2006/102k Mada in for a 2008/65k Mada. This one already had the fuel fix and had no history of brake problems. Plus this one came with a 2 year/ 100k warranty. We weren't upside down on the 06, so I'm not mad. But when I was told that the problem was fixed I believed them!
If this Mada has any brake problems, then we will be trading our Nissans in for Mazdas!
We have 3 children (10, 3, and 1 years old). We bought this because we needed room to be comfortable. Our 2005 Xterra had been a very good SUV and my 2006 Titan had been very good ( less the fuel pump leaving us stranded on I-95). But this better not happen again! I will NOT put my family in a vehicle I do not trust!

stellato1976
06-12-2012, 07:06 PM
guys i have all the new parts on my truck as well replaced the booster and it still does the same thing. nissan told me to call NHTSA and make a saftey report. The more people that do it the better chance we have for a recall. 1-888-327-4236

numbay
06-13-2012, 11:55 AM
guys i have all the new parts on my truck as well replaced the booster and it still does the same thing. nissan told me to call NHTSA and make a saftey report. The more people that do it the better chance we have for a recall. 1-888-327-4236


When did you get the booster replaced?

stellato1976
06-13-2012, 03:55 PM
When did you get the booster replaced?

bought the truck used and the dealer told me the booster was replaced, by the part number.

numbay
06-14-2012, 01:56 AM
I had the brake booster replaced about a year/10K miles ago. So far so good, and wanted to see if I should keep it or not.

Sluggo
08-21-2012, 04:31 PM
This is the second time this has happened to me with my 06.

In March 2011 my 4x4/brake/VDC lights we on and lost most of my braking braking power along with the massive clanging from the front end coming off a highway off ramp. Scared the crap out of me at the time as you dont expect to put your foot to the floor and keep going.
Dealer replaced the front left Hub and wheel speed sensor and it corrected the issue.... or so I thought

This Tuesday, I started up my truck and started to pull out of my driveway and the same clanging and loss of brake power happened although only my brake light was on this time.

Its been fine ever since so is a diagnostic going to pick up what the problem is?

BigBlack08
08-21-2012, 04:40 PM
This is the same thing that happened to me about a week ago - happened twice. When you turn the truck off it resets the computer and it doesn't happen again for awhile. It will however definitely happen again. Nissan knows about the ABS issues and has not done a recall. I was at the dealership I go to today and they told me to hold on because Nissan will more than likely be doing a recall. GOOD LUCK. I had a case pending with Nissan Consumer Affairs and it was denied, I spoke with them again today and they suggested I call the Better Business Bureau. Nissan has a FB page and I have started posting my issues on there. May sound like it won't help but if enough people start to post the issue on a social networking site (as was done to Bank of America) then maybe just maybe we will start to get Nissan moving in the direction it should - taking care of their faulty ABS systems. Good luck and I pray that no one else is in a accident due to the faulty system on these Armadas.

By the way my actuator was replaced in June of 2011 and a few months prior to that I was told that their computer could not read my sensors. At that time the truck was under warranty. It no longer is under warranty at this time. However, this is not a wear and tear issue - this is a Nissan malfunction that should be handled.

Tad Wicks
08-24-2012, 10:05 PM
Update, We just had booster failure #4, They replaced the booster and Delta sensor. I am done with it, I no longer trust the car or the brakes. Does anybody have any experience with the Lemon Law, this is just getting ridiculous, at least 10 different trips to the dealers for brake light warnings including 4 boosters, I am fed up. Tad



To Big Black 08, with 4 booster failures and driving on #5, I too filed a claim to replace or buy back my lemon, not only was the answer "no" but more or less "F**** NO" and the horse you rode in on also. I did consult a Lemon Law attorney, they told me they had done many Armadas for all the reasons below, but they have to ascertain a value, so you can spend many hours compiling info for the attorney so that they can maybe get blue book value so my question is why??? the attorney will make money and I will get mid book, that is where I am at now. My biggest fear is that some poor soul will be hurt, maimed or killed before there will be any action, and if that happens, the powers that be at Nissan should be held criminally liable. There is more than enough info to warrant a recall and why the government has not stepped in is beyond me, OH I forgot, the government is there only to hammer the little guy not to help him. still fed up;Tad

Pdxrealtor
11-06-2012, 10:16 PM
Is there a place to go and read about specifics? Years effected, faulty parts, etc..??

petep
12-04-2012, 12:57 PM
bought my armada new in 2007. Had this problem first in 2009 or so...but it was intermittant (I know now because the sensor resets when the car is turned off).

West Palm Beach Nissan said they could not replicate it and had never heard of it...

It's occured two to three times since...so after it happened last weekend, I did a search.

Low and behold, lots of posts about the armada booster/delta s sensor...even you tube videos documenting the problem.

Took it into Pompano Nissan...at first said they never heard of the problem...I suggested do a simple search...they asked me about the sound...I suggested they go to you tube...

sure enough, they did their diagnostics...guess what - the booster and delta S - quoted $671. Said there is little they can do - out of warranty, 100k miles...I asked to speak with the service manager....and they also suggested I call Nissan North America...I did call the latter and have a case number...they said they'd call back tomorrow...Just doesn;t seem right that some dealerships acknowledge the problem up from and repair for free or at a significant discount...and other act like they have never heard of the issue...

We will see...

These companies/dealers are fools if they think that people can't do a quick search to determine if there is a widespread problem. Be so much better if they would just be up front about it....

numbay
12-05-2012, 11:43 AM
Please make sure you also add your case to the open Class Action Lawsuit. contact Jodi: Jodi@justice4you.com to add your case to the file.




bought my armada new in 2007. Had this problem first in 2009 or so...but it was intermittant (I know now because the sensor resets when the car is turned off).

West Palm Beach Nissan said they could not replicate it and had never heard of it...

It's occured two to three times since...so after it happened last weekend, I did a search.

Low and behold, lots of posts about the armada booster/delta s sensor...even you tube videos documenting the problem.

Took it into Pompano Nissan...at first said they never heard of the problem...I suggested do a simple search...they asked me about the sound...I suggested they go to you tube...

sure enough, they did their diagnostics...guess what - the booster and delta S - quoted $671. Said there is little they can do - out of warranty, 100k miles...I asked to speak with the service manager....and they also suggested I call Nissan North America...I did call the latter and have a case number...they said they'd call back tomorrow...Just doesn;t seem right that some dealerships acknowledge the problem up from and repair for free or at a significant discount...and other act like they have never heard of the issue...

We will see...

These companies/dealers are fools if they think that people can't do a quick search to determine if there is a widespread problem. Be so much better if they would just be up front about it....

petep
12-11-2012, 12:40 PM
Well Nissan North America is not a very responsive organization. I called them first on Tuesday 11/4. I spoke with a woman named Ella, very cordial, who assigned me a case number and said I'd have to speak with a regional specialist. She said I'd get a call back no later than the next morning.

No call back, so I phoned ella again. She said she'd send an email and leave the specialist another message...still no call back by the next day...called ella again.

she said she'd elevate to a supervisor...

I did get the name and extension finally of the regional specialist I was assigned to....I've left her many messages...she did finally call me back last Friday...I explained the situation, that it seems others have had this...the dealer initially said they've never heard of it....then after the diagnosis they acknowldeged yes, some years had this problem but not my 2007....

She asked if I could prove that I've had this problem in the past...if its documented with a dealer...I said no, I can't prove it...I can only say that I've had the problem occur at various times over the past 3 years...and its pretty clear that others on the internet have the same issue...

she said nissan does not rely on the internet because people can post anything, only on their dealers diagnostics...I said fine, I just need a resolution one way or the other....I did point out she is free to go to youtube, or any number of sites and she will see the same problem repreatedly...she again said they don't rely on the internet...

she said I'd hear back monday....she left me a message at 10:45am to call her back...I've called back 3x no response...

I told her I simply need an answer so I can get my car worked on....

ntrddragn
12-11-2012, 01:36 PM
Well Nissan North America is not a very responsive organization. I called them first on Tuesday 11/4. I spoke with a woman named Ella, very cordial, who assigned me a case number and said I'd have to speak with a regional specialist. She said I'd get a call back no later than the next morning.

No call back, so I phoned ella again. She said she'd send an email and leave the specialist another message...still no call back by the next day...called ella again.

she said she'd elevate to a supervisor...

I did get the name and extension finally of the regional specialist I was assigned to....I've left her many messages...she did finally call me back last Friday...I explained the situation, that it seems others have had this...the dealer initially said they've never heard of it....then after the diagnosis they acknowldeged yes, some years had this problem but not my 2007....

She asked if I could prove that I've had this problem in the past...if its documented with a dealer...I said no, I can't prove it...I can only say that I've had the problem occur at various times over the past 3 years...and its pretty clear that others on the internet have the same issue...

she said nissan does not rely on the internet because people can post anything, only on their dealers diagnostics...I said fine, I just need a resolution one way or the other....I did point out she is free to go to youtube, or any number of sites and she will see the same problem repreatedly...she again said they don't rely on the internet...

she said I'd hear back monday....she left me a message at 10:45am to call her back...I've called back 3x no response...

I told her I simply need an answer so I can get my car worked on....

Didn't you tell her the internet doesn't lie? LOL. Even state farm insurance commercial said so.

All joking aside..Hope you get your issue resolve.

tap tap with my galaxy nexus.

petep
12-13-2012, 01:27 PM
well, finally heard back from megan at nissan consumer affairs a few minutes ago. 800-343-6913 ext. 457218.

I should note I called yesterday and tried another person. He said he could see a decision has been reached in my case, but I would have to speak with megan to receive it. I explained this coming tuesday will be two weeks, with no answer, and a rental car I'm paying for...He said he can see on his computer that a decision was reached monday (today is thursday)...I asked why they couldn't just leave me a message or email me....again, he said I'd have to speak with her live....(which we already know is a problem)....

I also spoke with the service person (Jose) at pompano nissan yesterday, to let him know I'm not abandoning my vehicle, that I can't seem to get megan to return a call. He said he knows her by name, as she is the regional specialist, and sometimes they must make 30 calls before they can get her. Ridiculous.

So, the net is...they are not going to do anything for me...because I can't document that I had this problem before now....I politely said thanks. I'll be signing onto this class action suit on this issue I've been reading about.

Also note, when I did speak with her last Friday, I offered that if they pay half - roughly 350, that I'd cover the other half and move on...I just want my car back.

Heck of a company....funny thing was, I don't have a small car and was seriously considering buying a 350z in a couple months....not now....

for some reason companies cannot understand the long term value of a customer....and just how the internet and word of mouth affects future sales...

numbay
12-14-2012, 04:48 PM
well, finally heard back from megan at nissan consumer affairs a few minutes ago. 800-343-6913 ext. 457218.

I should note I called yesterday and tried another person. He said he could see a decision has been reached in my case, but I would have to speak with megan to receive it. I explained this coming tuesday will be two weeks, with no answer, and a rental car I'm paying for...He said he can see on his computer that a decision was reached monday (today is thursday)...I asked why they couldn't just leave me a message or email me....again, he said I'd have to speak with her live....(which we already know is a problem)....

I also spoke with the service person (Jose) at pompano nissan yesterday, to let him know I'm not abandoning my vehicle, that I can't seem to get megan to return a call. He said he knows her by name, as she is the regional specialist, and sometimes they must make 30 calls before they can get her. Ridiculous.

So, the net is...they are not going to do anything for me...because I can't document that I had this problem before now....I politely said thanks. I'll be signing onto this class action suit on this issue I've been reading about.

Also note, when I did speak with her last Friday, I offered that if they pay half - roughly 350, that I'd cover the other half and move on...I just want my car back.

Heck of a company....funny thing was, I don't have a small car and was seriously considering buying a 350z in a couple months....not now....

for some reason companies cannot understand the long term value of a customer....and just how the internet and word of mouth affects future sales...

Same here! I can't trust the company who doesn't want to listen to their customer.

Look at this report yourself for this issue:

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/complaints/

2004
SERVICE BRAKES: 20
Service Brakes, Electric: 9 reports
SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC: 67 reports
SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:ANTILOCK: 22 reports
SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:ANTILOCK:ABS WARNING LIGHT: 4 reports
SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:ANTILOCK:CONTROL UNIT/MODULE: 3 reports

2005
SERVICE BRAKES: 15
Service Brakes, Electric: 11 reports
SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC: 74 reports
SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:ANTILOCK: 3 reports


2006
SERVICE BRAKES: 10 reports
Service Brakes, Electric: 1 reports
SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC: 43 reports
SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:ANTILOCK: 4 reports

2007

SERVICE BRAKES: 10 reports
SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC: 3 reports

*I only looked at # of issues reported related to brakes and not all may be for this issue.

choochie49
04-01-2013, 03:51 AM
Appears this has been an issue for NISSAN since day one...

Purchased an Armarda 05 SE a yr ago this month...

recently the ABS has been activating whenever it wants..

causing the nose of the truck to dive downward an an xtreme brake chatter an fading...

had both the ABS sensors, located in the front axles bearings replaced an the problem hasn't re- developed YET...

nothing worse then wondering if your brakes are gonna work when needed

BlakSpyda
04-01-2013, 10:04 AM
Welcome choochie49!

m_d_t_24
05-18-2013, 05:33 PM
This thread has been ongoing for a very long time. I also am having the very same issue's that everyone else is complaining about. I have noticed that when it gets hot in the summer (I live in Savannah, GA) it happen much more frequently. Is there a definite fix, and also can someone send me part number for the brake boosters if this is indeed the issue?

scr38
05-18-2013, 07:02 PM
Probably need to have the ABS controller reprogrammed. That solves the problem most of the time. I think a lot of boosters and other parts are being replaced when not needed.
Use a ABS code reader to see if you have code 1179. If so, all you need is the reprogram.

Pmonty
05-20-2013, 10:41 PM
I'm for keeping things positive, but the ABS problem is extremely wide-spread and there is even the possibility of a class-action suit against Nissan. While my Wife and I bought our Armada new in '04 (extremely early production), we have experienced this problem many times over the 100k miles we have driven. Service has been lame at best when the truck was under warranty, and they did finally re-program the anti-lock unit once, but the problem still randomly occurs. As both a former mechanic and buyer for a large automotive salvage company, I have seen Nissan attempt to correct this with upgraded power-boosters, master cylinders, anti-lock computers, calipers and rotors as the model years progressed, most remarkable as the '06 model years were introduced. The issue is that the abs pump runs even when there is no wheel slip at even the slowest of speeds. As I have experienced it first hand several times, it is not the end of the world, as the brakes still actually work, but for someone (like my wife, initially) that does not completely understand the mechanics of how the ABS works, it is a real heart-stopper. And oddly enough, the quick fix is to turn the truck off, and restart it, problem fixed for several months. Not a really good solution, but there is obviously a "ghost in the machine" that Nissan cannot seem to find.

choochie49
05-21-2013, 04:59 AM
I bought a 05 Aramada a year ago, an have the brakes fail at least three times during this time frame...

It gets your attention really quick when with no warning you have no brakes at all...

I had to shut the truck off, after coming to a full stop, then restarting...

The problem appeared to correct its self at the time, only to repeat again at some point.

The problem was with the front wheel bearing hubs. There is an internal sensor within the hub for the ABS system that was defective...

Nissan has to be aware of this issue an should have issued an immedate recall to resolve this serious problem within their braking sysyem for this model vehicle...

Each bearing hub cost around $250 plus labor to replace

If you haven't had this checked, you might want to take your truck to your repair center an have the problem checked...:confused::confused:

m_d_t_24
05-21-2013, 08:18 AM
So bottom line is everyone has a different fix for this, but nothing is really fixing this.

petep
05-21-2013, 10:14 AM
my total charge was 906.71. They said it was a bad brake booster. Before I took it to Nissan, I called a mechanic in the area who is well respected. As soon as I started to explain what the symptoms were...I had only said it was a Nissan...he said let me guess, armada brake booster....said he sees it all the time.

I think the frustrating thing is when you call Nissan n.a, their knee jerk reaction - almost too fast....is we have never heard of that problem...when I referenced going on line to see how many are reporting the same issue....the gal quipped back we don't take our information or data from the internet....as if people are going on line for the heck of it to complain about this issue - or post youtube videos showing exactly what it sounds like...

anyway, I paid the 906.71. Tough to know if it is solved, as the problem was always intermittent in the past anyway.

choochie49
05-22-2013, 09:49 AM
Usually if the booster begins to go, you will hear a hissing noise when the brakes are first applied followed with the pedal being extremely hard to push down with little result in stopping power.

It's like there is little or no response from the application of the brake when applied

#2 the other problem that may occur is the pedal goes straight to the floor with no braking power at all..

Would hate to think you spent nearly a grand for a braking problem that may no correct the issue..

An speaking to the dealer is a waste of time, for they are told to disregard any info you might have in regards to this issue...
After all, they aren't driving a car that at any given time the brakes can/will fail..
plus they wiill not admit there is a problem until Nissan Cooperate tells them to.. "PERIOD"
Would love to make them drive a car with this issue an see how long they would remain behind the wheel knowing the brake might fail...:ugogirl: