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PwrStrokinDually
11-06-2007, 06:56 PM
I'm surprised we don't have a Technical forum. We should get one started and post a sticky for when the MIL/SES/CES dummy light goes off with DTC descriptions.

Pops
11-06-2007, 07:02 PM
We have a "technical forum" that's broken down into engine/drivetrain, suspension, and How-To. So you're saying that maybe there should be one for Error Codes or something along those lines??? Hmmmm, might be worth looking into.

PwrStrokinDually
11-06-2007, 10:03 PM
Thanks for moving the thread to the correct forum Pops. I am suggesting that there should be one for DTCs. For those that have generic code readers and such could find an explanation to what the codes stand for. So people will know which area to look for. Such as:

B - Body electronics (i.e., door and hood latches)
C - Chassis (i.e., traction control or ABS)
P - Powertrain (i.e., engine, transmission, or engine support components)
U - Network communications for the different control models

i.e,
Like P0146 would be:
P = DTC Alpha Designator
0 = Type of Code
1 = Indicated System
46 = Specific Code Number
System Grouping: Fuel and Air Metering - O2 Sensor Circuit No Activity Detected (Bank 1 Sensor 3)

This might become a much detailed thread, as there are several hundred codes, but maybe only a hundred that a generic code or vehicle specific reader could detail, but an enhanced system such as the dealers have could read and solve this problem and then charge the owner several hundred dollars for just a diagnosis that could've been solved if the code reader displayed the code and not the description, but could've found it here on Club Armada.

I might generate a list to help others out, but it would be very time consuming. I believe this would definitely help out members who use code readers. If this has already been done on another forum please let me know so I won't have to attempt this. And if this would be a waste of my time then PLEASE LET ME KNOW!

Pops
11-07-2007, 12:26 AM
I LOVE the idea!!! My only reservation is that very few of us on here have the UpRev Software which is the most popular and you are the first that I've heard of using a generic reader and the Titan guys almost all use an UpRev package. Any idea how much these compatible generic readers are costing these days?? I have not touched one in ages.

PwrStrokinDually
11-07-2007, 02:54 AM
OKAY, this is my secret tool I use on all of our vehicles (2004 Nissan Armada SE, 2002 Lexus SC430, 2001 Ford F-350 Powerstroke, 1997 Honda del Sol VTEC, and 1997 Toyota Tacoma) along with all of my other friends with Dodges and Chevy's. This is the same program that Ford Motor Company uses to train their own technicians with. That alone is a statement in itself.

I don't use a generic reader for the Armada. Had to before at Autozone, but it wouldn't read the codes. It would only clear them. And even then I had to set it in the Chrysler programming. And I hate to admit it, but my software blows away the $400.00 UpRev Ciper (http://www.uprev.com/products/cipher_NI.html)when using it as a diagnostics tool. The $700.00 UpRev Osiris (http://www.uprev.com/products/osiris_NI.html)vehicle map control is more of a Nissan specific program like a programmer/tuner.

I purchased the Auto Enginuity Pro Bundle which costs $999.95 (not including the computer/laptop to use it on). And for Nissan only diagnostics
the basic cost is $249.95 w/ CAN support. You can expand it with the Nissan Expansion pack for an additional $99.95 for a total of $349.90 that will access Nissan-specific sensors (http://www.autoenginuity.com/Nissan-All-Systems-List.html) not covered by the OBD-II specification.

If you happen to call for questions or ordering ask for Manuel and please tell him that Danny Om from Oregon referred you. Honestly there is nothing in it for me. He's just helped me out several times and is very knowledgable in the product and he gives you the best customer service possible.

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Pops
11-07-2007, 11:44 AM
Now that sounds more along the lines of what we'd be using because there aren't many of us interested in tuning remaps or we'd be driving a Mitsu EVO or something but being able to perform our own diags for those who have sorry p-poor dealerships or expired warranties, now we're talking.

That seems like it'll be an investment well worth spending on when I run into an issue that's not covered on the extended or get closer to my 100k warr expiring.

AWESOME Info!!!!! :thumbup:

PwrStrokinDually
11-07-2007, 12:21 PM
No problem. I hate, and I mean hate, sharing my secrets. You can ask Heather. It's how the winners stay on top. Because they don't share their secrets. But this secret is definitely something worth having if you have a laptop and can dish out the $350 for the Nissan Enhanced bundle.

And I carry my laptop and AE (Auto Enginuity) everywere I go just in case I come along a stranded motoris or something of the sort. You never know! And I like being a good samaritan. With all the good deeds I've done, and even after our (Heather (Armada Chick) and I's) dogs go stolen I figured that I might as well help any one out as much as I can. Except for pan handlers. There should be a law against them.

Anyways, sorry for the side track. Auto Enginuity is by far the best investment I've made for any of my vehicles.

cpaul
11-07-2007, 12:38 PM
Sound like a great idea. I have the Auto-Enginuity with the Nissan expansion pack installed on a Toughbook. Love it. I also have access to Consult 2 and Consult 3 at work, and besides programming keys and tires (been trying to talk them into adding the tire programming), You can get, in some cases, more info than the factory scantools. Plus the code definitions are great too.

Pops
11-07-2007, 12:46 PM
It floors me that the 2 guys w/o Armadas who decided to hang out with us anyway are among the most helpful on here. You guys are AWESOME and really appreciated!!!!! :thumbup:

cpaul
11-07-2007, 01:05 PM
Pops, I appreciate being made to feel at home here. All of you that I have had any contact with on here have been the best. I spend many hours every day in the seat or under a Armada, generally with a Consult in my hand. It's kinda fun figuring this stuff out sometimes. Anyway, Danny just started a whole lot of thinking and hopefully I can possibly add to his idea some if it progresses. Hopefully 20 years as a Nissan tech will be of some use, though I have seen some of the guys around here come up with stuff I have never ran across or thought of, and fix it!! Never done too much modding, always spent all of my time just trying to keep everyones stuff running. And yes, ya'll are a great bunch!!

Pops
11-07-2007, 02:39 PM
That is really awesome to read cpaul !!!!

I have a question for you 2 techies. Are the comments on the first page of this thread true?? Is there really no way to compensate the Speedo guages to accomodate for larger tire diameters??

http://www.clubtitan.org/forums/showthread.php?t=41138

It just seems really odd if there's not a setting to change for recalibration. I've never heard of a vehicle that cannot be recalibrated because it used to be common to take a "Recalibration Recipt" into court to get out of a ticket back when we were jacking up the rear of our old sports cars to slap some monster drags on. I had to do it with my Camaro a few times but it was a matter of taking it in to have someone regear the speedo back then.

Armada Chick
11-07-2007, 04:44 PM
Lol I told you it wouldn't take Danny long to jump right in :D He can't keep his hands off motors! When we first got the diagnostic equipment he was LOOKING for people's cars to play with lol. Good job hunnie :)

By the way...it's our 3 year anniversary today, congratulate me for putting up with his CRAP for so long!!! jk :D :D :D

BlakSpyda
11-07-2007, 05:19 PM
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY! WOooooo hoooooooo!

Pops
11-07-2007, 05:31 PM
Happy Anniversary!!!! Congrats to you both!!! Good job putting up with her Danny, you must have found the earplugs that really do work. - j/k :D

Armada Chick
11-07-2007, 05:52 PM
Happy Anniversary!!!! Congrats to you both!!! Good job putting up with her Danny, you must have found the earplugs that really do work. - j/k :D

:eek: Lol heyyy nowwww! No, he really does put up with quite a bit from me :D It feels like we've been together for like 10 years with all the stuff we've been though with the store, the house, and the dogs lol.

scr38
11-07-2007, 06:24 PM
We have quite a few members both here and on CT with the Cipher program, and several with Auto-Enginuity.
But you don't have to have either to read or reset the codes. This info is in our "How To" section, along with a list of all the Nissan codes.
http://www.clubarmada.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1669

scr38
11-07-2007, 06:36 PM
There is no tool at this time to recalibrate out speedometers. The dealer can't do it either.
One of the reasons why there isn't a tool to do this is because the Transmission Control Module is inside the transmission. The only way to communicate with the TCM is through the CAN. No one has "broken" the TCM programming at this time. UpRev is working on this.

That is really awesome to read cpaul !!!!

I have a question for you 2 techies. Are the comments on the first page of this thread true?? Is there really no way to compensate the Speedo guages to accomodate for larger tire diameters??

http://www.clubtitan.org/forums/showthread.php?t=41138

It just seems really odd if there's not a setting to change for recalibration. I've never heard of a vehicle that cannot be recalibrated because it used to be common to take a "Recalibration Recipt" into court to get out of a ticket back when we were jacking up the rear of our old sports cars to slap some monster drags on. I had to do it with my Camaro a few times but it was a matter of taking it in to have someone regear the speedo back then.

Pops
11-07-2007, 06:41 PM
There is no tool at this time to recalibrate out speedometers. The dealer can't do it either.
One of the reasons why there isn't a tool to do this is because the Transmission Control Module is inside the transmission. The only way to communicate with the TCM is through the CAN. No one has "broken" the TCM programming at this time. UpRev is working on this.
Intresting!!!! Sounds like they took away manual regearing and tucked away the TCM access. Guess that's a drawback to getting a 1st gen vehicle. That's poor forethought IMHO. :rolleyes:

scr38
11-07-2007, 06:49 PM
Yes, there is no gearing to change like on the old cable driven speedometers. Our speedometers get its reading from two sources; one is from the wheel revolution sensors and the other is from a Hall Effects sensor "reading" the teeth on the Park locking hub in the transmission. There are two different computer programs used, one for the 2.94 ratio and another for the 3.36 ratio. The dealer can reprogram, but only for these two ratios with the factory OEM tire size. They can't program for any other combination.

cpaul
11-08-2007, 11:23 AM
Pops, I've sat down at the bench with the guys that make your speedos while they were programing them. I couldn't drag anything out of them after they figured out I had some idea of what they were saying. They would neither confirm or deny anything.

Pops
11-08-2007, 11:38 AM
Pops, I've sat down at the bench with the guys that make your speedos while they were programing them. I couldn't drag anything out of them after they figured out I had some idea of what they were saying. They would neither confirm or deny anything.
That sounds to me like maybe it can be done but they are just having difficulty making it accessible while protecting the Odometer from tampering.

cpaul
11-08-2007, 11:49 AM
Yeah that was kinda my thoughts too. But you can't blame me for trying. And when I get a chance I will try again.

MajBlue07
11-08-2007, 11:38 PM
cpaul, are you in Canton at the Nissan plant? Sorry if this is totally obvious...maybe I'm just a little slow.

scr38
11-09-2007, 12:33 AM
That sounds to me like maybe it can be done but they are just having difficulty making it accessible while protecting the Odometer from tampering.
The factory can set the odometer to what ever figure is needed. If an instrument cluster has to be replaced the dealer sends the mileage from the vehicle to the factory and they program the replacement cluster with the proper mileage. The dealer can't do this, even with the Consult.