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2021 Towing Experience

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So I wanted to provide some new Mada owners my initial experience towing a travel trailer and what to expect. I have a 2021 Midnight Edition. Love it and always will. Besides the Infotainment issues with reboots.. But last update in December seemed to help. Anyways I looked far and wide for a travel trailer that was sized right for my Mada and my family and found the perfect match. The Coachmen Apex Nano 208bhs. It comes in at 25ft and 4300lbs on average. Tongue weight was exactly 600lbs with full propane and battery. I have an e2 round bar weight distribution hitch rated for 600/6000. If anyone is wanting to tow easily and safely without the white knuckles I would recommend sticking with my specs. Anything heavier in my opinion is a bad idea. Can you do it and is it rated yes but from my towing experience this is all you should do. Plenty of power in the drivetrain and stopping power perfect. I used boost 1 and 5 for manual brake setting on the TBC but switched to boost 2 as it provided better braking response on my dual axle baby. Drove home through the mountains of Tennessee and Kentucky with no issues. Some porpoising but not annoying and no sway issues. However when those big rigs or bigger trucks pass be ready for a little suction and movement. Once you understand and experience it a couple of times it's not a big deal. I kept the speed between 60-70 usually lower end. Just be mindful that everyone else goes 80 now so I stay right. Took me an extra 20 minutes home but it was so relaxing and uneventful in the right lane. I would say anyone that wants to have a perfect match for a travel trailer stick to 25 and under and under 5k#.. You will be much more relaxed. Remember the 80% rule and towing things heavier than your vehicle is always going to require extra effort. Yes it tows fine but stopping or any quick action is the issue so don't listen to people that say it's fine. My setup empty it's 51% of the towable limit loaded nearer 70%. You also have to look at the payload. I can get my family and about 100# of gear in the Mada and be within spec so anything more is not going to work unless tongue weight is lower. Be safe and try before you buy.

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Congrats! I agree with everything you said. My setup is a bit heavier than yours but within specifications, the Mada pulls it like a charm. 2019 Platinum

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Nice rig.. I can't believe what people try and tow on here. I am interested in the sway control introduced in 2021. I didn't experience any sway so not sure if it works or not. I am adding a Tuson sway controller as another piece of insurance. More than the Hayes but not much and can brake independently. I did have a black ice experience last year in a rental Mada that was 2WD. I relaxed my grip on the wheel and didn't touch the brakes or gas and it literally corrected itself. Scary as hell but it was amazing.
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Both great looking setups / combos. It's a good all-around vehicle and very capable!
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Hello. I have a 2021 Armada SL 4X4. I tow a 2021 Winnebago Voyage 3033BH that dry is 7600lbs with a 660lb tongue weight and is 34ft total length. I use an Equalizer weight distribution/anti-sway hitch, and have had no problems at all. Yes you get pushed around a bit when it's quite windy, and yes the Armada porpoises a bit on large bumps, but otherwise the vehicle handles the load and tow extremely well. I do credit the Equalizer hitch for doing a great job at keeping the vehicle and trailer quite steady. It took me a while to get it set-up right, but once I did, it works very well. The trailer also has heavy duty suspension and brakes, which helps. With brake controller after trial and error I have it set at gain 6, boost 0. Sometimes I bump-up the boost to 1 on the highway, particularly in hilly terrain or at freeway speeds. I do tow with rear of the vehicle empty and we have been careful to not add a lot of weight with our gear inside the trailer, because I know I am on the upper limit of what the vehicle is rated for. That said, I was told by a Nissan employee that the tow capacities of their vehicles are purposely under-rated because they know people will push the limits. Note that in picture I did not yet have the hitch set-up properly. The hitch height was adjusted too high, and I had to also increase the tension on the load/sway bars.
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Nice rig Armada 2021, you and I must fit in that category "I can't believe what people try and tow." From what apparently is someone towing anything significant with their TV for the first time. I've been towing my "I can't believe what people try and tow" TT since 2009 trouble free and have logged thousands of miles in the western U.S. I guess I shouldn't be though, I suppose I'll have to get a smaller trailer now that we've been advised.

Anytime you are towing it adds dimension to driving, it's a given and precaution should be taken. Added stopping distance doesn't go away because you are within 80% of towing capacity, added weight, add distance! The more weight, of course the more distance it will take to slow down and stop, again it's a given.

Please forgive my sarcasm, one of the reasons I really enjoy this forum vs. other "towing forums" is the lack of judgement on this forum. Sure people are entitled to their opinions but don't make your opinions the rule. People come here to get advice and it makes sense that everybody wants to be safe right. I mean if we're gonna do it right and be safe then everybody should get the same hitch I have and get a Hensley, I mean what's the price of safety!!! I think you get the idea, you don't have to do what I do to be safe. Okay, enough of that. Looking at the rigs posted in this thread, very nice!!! Happy and safe travels all!!
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@MidnightArmada I plan on having the same TT and WDH setup with my 2020 Armada. Were you able to use the hitch that came with the e2, or did you have to upgrade to one with a drop?
@MidnightArmada I plan on having the same TT and WDH setup with my 2020 Armada. Were you able to use the hitch that came with the e2, or did you have to upgrade to one with a drop?
Hi. If you are asking me, I used what came with the Equalizer hitch. It is height adjustable.
Hi. If you are asking me, I used what came with the Equalizer hitch. It is height adjustable.
Right on. That's what I'm hoping for so I don't have to buy extra stuff! Thanks!
For all of the setups pictured above, are you able to open the hatch while hitched up? I am wanting to know if the trailer jack post/crank interfere with the hatch when trying to open it.
For all of the setups pictured above, are you able to open the hatch while hitched up? I am wanting to know if the trailer jack post/crank interfere with the hatch when trying to open it.
Mine opens. No interference.
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Hello. I have a 2021 Armada SL 4X4. I tow a 2021 Winnebago Voyage 3033BH that dry is 7600lbs with a 660lb tongue weight and is 34ft total length. I use an Equalizer weight distribution/anti-sway hitch, and have had no problems at all. Yes you get pushed around a bit when it's quite windy, and yes the Armada porpoises a bit on large bumps, but otherwise the vehicle handles the load and tow extremely well. I do credit the Equalizer hitch for doing a great job at keeping the vehicle and trailer quite steady. It took me a while to get it set-up right, but once I did, it works very well. The trailer also has heavy duty suspension and brakes, which helps. With brake controller after trial and error I have it set at gain 6, boost 0. Sometimes I bump-up the boost to 1 on the highway, particularly in hilly terrain or at freeway speeds. I do tow with rear of the vehicle empty and we have been careful to not add a lot of weight with our gear inside the trailer, because I know I am on the upper limit of what the vehicle is rated for. That said, I was told by a Nissan employee that the tow capacities of their vehicles are purposely under-rated because they know people will push the limits. Note that in picture I did not yet have the hitch set-up properly. The hitch height was adjusted too high, and I had to also increase the tension on the load/sway bars. View attachment 52294
Nice rig!! I'll be setup about the same. We are the proud new owners of a slightly used 2019 Armada platinum! The wife and I are picking up our TT, Jayco Jayflight 294QBS.
We are looking forward to the "Beast" hauling her down the road. I've towed plenty of trailers and combinations in my life time and look forward to adding this to the list!!
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All your rig photos give me more confidence that towing our TT with the Armada should be a breeze. Below is our trailer in Moab a month ago with our Subaru that is now going to be just a daily driver, not tow mule. We could go bigger on the trailer now with the extra capacity, but I don't think we will. It's just my wife and I and our dog, so it's roomy enough for us and small enough to get into the small campgrounds where a big rig won't fit.

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Alright, i bought a 27' Starcraft trailer, dry weight 6275 lb, and took it camping for the first time with my 2012 Armada SV. The Armada felt great and had no issues on the highway. Gas mileage was in the 8-9 mpg as expected. Note, i am a beginner. I had never towed a camping trailer before so it was pretty awesome. I still have the stock OEM shocks i bought the vehicle with. Reading thru all these threads, i came across the following package for shocks and airbags. It shows series Bilstein shocks with Firefox airbags. For sure i am going to replace the shocks with 4600 series because they are leaking, but any thoughts on the airbag? Just curious. Loaded the trailer is roughly 7k, i figure max i will ever tow is 7.5k. Any thoughts or recommendations on shocks and/or air bags would be appreciated. My first trip was only an hour away. In a month, i plan on going up in the mountains that will be about 6-7 hours each way for some hiking and fishing with the family. Armada has 150k miles and still drives like it was new!


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Bilstein's are definitely the way to go. Having the SV model, you already have the appropriate springs too (many of us have had to change out our springs.) As far as the Firestone airbags, they are super popular, and I'd vote for them! You certainly could go for a test run with your trailer without the airbags and see how it goes. The airbags are relatively cheap and easy for what they offer. They wont level out the rear of you Armada and trailer by themselves though...let your weight distribution hitch do the heavy lifting. I like the airbags to help firm up the rear end under weight for a more confident drive.
We just got a chance to try out our 21 Armada towing our travel trailer (probably around 3200# loaded with a tongue weight under 400#). We do not have a WD hitch and given how well it towed without it, I'm not inclined to add one (we do have a sway control bar). The air suspension in the rear did a great job of leveling, as expected. My wife was able to drive much more comfortably than she was with our lighter TV and gas mileage wasn't much worse (we got 10.5 with a slight headwind). Really, my only complaint is -- why doesn't 'Tow Mode' turn off the rear automatic braking!?
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We just got a chance to try out our 21 Armada towing our travel trailer (probably around 3200# loaded with a tongue weight under 400#). We do not have a WD hitch and given how well it towed without it, I'm not inclined to add one (we do have a sway control bar). The air suspension in the rear did a great job of leveling, as expected. My wife was able to drive much more comfortably than she was with our lighter TV and gas mileage wasn't much worse (we got 10.5 with a slight headwind). Really, my only complaint is -- why doesn't 'Tow Mode' turn off the rear automatic braking!?
We towed alittle this weekend too. All around great experience except for, you guessed it, the automatic braking. I literally hate that feature. There should be a way to completely disable it. As it is, I have conditioned myself to turn off the traction control every time I hit the ignition. It's just a habit now. But, when you need to use the cruise control (with the adaptive cruise), the traction control has to be on...then I forget about the traction control and automatic braking (did it twice this weekend) and I move 3 feet in reverse only to have the brakes slammed on. I let a few words slip this weekend over that...
We towed alittle this weekend too. All around great experience except for, you guessed it, the automatic braking. I literally hate that feature. There should be a way to completely disable it. As it is, I have conditioned myself to turn off the traction control every time I hit the ignition. It's just a habit now. But, when you need to use the cruise control (with the adaptive cruise), the traction control has to be on...then I forget about the traction control and automatic braking (did it twice this weekend) and I move 3 feet in reverse only to have the brakes slammed on. I let a few words slip this weekend over that...
Out of curiosity, why turn off traction control while towing? I only disable the rear automatic braking in the settings. I wouldn't mind that it didn't stay permanently disabled (I understand why they wouldn't want to do that) -- if it was only automatically disabled when you select 'tow mode'! Even better, it could detect the presence of the trailer (at a fixed distance behind the vehicle) when you start backing up and automatically disable.
Out of curiosity, why turn off traction control while towing? I only disable the rear automatic braking in the settings. I wouldn't mind that it didn't stay permanently disabled (I understand why they wouldn't want to do that) -- if it was only automatically disabled when you select 'tow mode'! Even better, it could detect the presence of the trailer (at a fixed distance behind the vehicle) when you start backing up and automatically disable.
I turn off traction control all the time, not just while towing - because it disables the front and rear automatic braking. I didn't know there was a setting to disable the automatic braking - is it in the driver's menu? I loathe the front and rear automatic braking, in Dallas traffic, it's terrible up front. And I tend to back into parking spots, including the garage @ home, too many times, the sensors pickup the side of the house and slam on the brakes. It also happens with light poles, shopping cart corrals, etc. I've turned off the lane departure warnings - it stays off. I turned off all of the chimes and nannies that warn you when a wall or stationary object is getting close - I use my mirrors and the cameras for that, don't need the car yelling at me. But yes, when towing, the software should do two things: 1) recognize that a trailer is connected once the lights/brakes are plugged in and 2) recognize when "tow mode" is engaged - both of these instances should disable the rear automatic braking.
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