[92TripleBlack]

THe only thing I can add about the Hemi Durango (I owned an 04 limited before I got the Mada) is that yes, the MAda will beat it light to light, but beleive me, the Durango will smoke it on the road. This is the biggest difference I have noticed between the two of them other than the fact that the ride is much better in the Durango.

Not sure of that. Durango is listed at 7.5 and 15.4. Both slower than the Armaada and Titan. However, 60-80 may be different. We have a prettly large dead spot before shifting that a new exhaust/intake should fix. With these it should smoke a Durango period, not just in 0-60 and quarter mile. As for the ride, get real tires and see how well it really rides. The stock ones stink.

 

[abalto]

My wife and I just went through this process deciding on the QX or the Armada. We liked the QX, but for the few things you get on the QX, the $10k price difference is simply not worth it. At least not for us. We could not justify the cost, and we kind of liked the Armada styling better anyway. The ride and interior noise levels are not that much different. The interior appointments are not that much better. We can add wood and aftermarket HID. :whip:

 

[mastro]

QX56 Does Have more to offer

Just wanted to add that you do get much more in the Qx56. You have heard the differences above which make a big difference so no need to repost. There are some other statements I would like to correct the first is that the Qx is sturdier off road if you take it off road due to the 3 skid plates vs the one on the Armada. The Leather is much nicer than the Armada. The 10 extra horsepower is due to the engine tunning and the premium fuel, not just the premium fuel ( so if you fill up your Armada with premium fuel you don't just get the 10 extra horsepower. Also the price difference is not that much difference I have a loaded 05 QX with a sticker of $55k and walked out the door with it at $48k.

 

[92TripleBlack]

Just wanted to add that you do get much more in the Qx56. You have heard the differences above which make a big difference so no need to repost. There are some other statements I would like to correct the first is that the Qx is sturdier off road if you take it off road due to the 3 skid plates vs the one on the Armada. The Leather is much nicer than the Armada. The 10 extra horsepower is due to the engine tunning and the premium fuel, not just the premium fuel ( so if you fill up your Armada with premium fuel you don't just get the 10 extra horsepower. Also the price difference is not that much difference I have a loaded 05 QX with a sticker of $55k and walked out the door with it at $48k.

Same Skid plates on Off road SE.
No extra HP. It is tested with premium. This is the ONLY difference.There is NO tuning difference straight from the guy who works the assemby line making both. Reset the ECU and fill the tank with premium in a Mada, its identical. Marketing only.

Leather is nicer. You get wood accents, HID, Heated second row seats, LED taillights, Smart cruise, and some chrome. That's it. If you got yours for $48, the LE loaded would probably be $41. My Infiniti guy wouldn't budge off the price and it ended up being more like $9k.

 

[92TripleBlack]

BTW, welcome Mastro.

The 10 hp is not from tuning. They use the same programing, motor, etc. They are not virtually identical, they are identical. However, when Infiniti tested the QX56, they used premium. Nissan and Infiniti use an electronic knock sensor. So do most makers. However, they also can advance the timing electronically. If you put premium in the tank. the knock sensor will allow the ECU to advance the timing to match the higher octane gas, giving you the extra HP. I don't know of any other maker that does this.

Typically, putting premium into a car that runs on regular is a waste of money. Here, for the first time I know of, it isn't. Titan is also the same though they have a different exhaust than us so there may be a slight variance, but they test the same. You can put regular in your QX and be fine. If you aren't a speed freak, you might as well.

My G35 is the same way as is every other Nissan and Infiniti. If you read the Infiniti manuals, it will say you can use it but "you may experience some loss of performance". I put regular in there all the time. Probably for 40k of the 44k on the gauge.

Bottomline, its still a cool SUV. I was torn as I'm really a lover of the good leather, the blonde dash wood, and the HIDs so it was tough, but I bought a Jetski with the difference.

 

[ggeorgie]

I saw it coming Godfather :udaman:

 

[Cillyone]

THe only thing I can add about the Hemi Durango (I owned an 04 limited before I got the Mada) is that yes, the MAda will beat it light to light, but beleive me, the Durango will smoke it on the road. This is the biggest difference I have noticed between the two of them other than the fact that the ride is much better in the Durango.

Even when the front wheels fall off?

 

[IKNOW_ARMADAS]

92tripleblack is wrong

I registered just to set the record straight. 92tripleblack said:
The 10 hp is not from tuning. They use the same programing, motor, etc. They are not virtually identical, they are identical. However, when Infiniti tested the QX56, they used premium. Nissan and Infiniti use an electronic knock sensor. So do most makers. However, they also can advance the timing electronically. If you put premium in the tank. the knock sensor will allow the ECU to advance the timing to match the higher octane gas, giving you the extra HP.

The QX56 engine program is tuned for premium fuel. Armada and Titan are not. Its true that you can run regular fuel in a QX and it will run like an Armada. If you put premium in an Armada, its a waste because the engine will never advance timing enough to get the power. The only advantage you do get is from the knock sensors NOT retarding timing because of low octane. That means you'll be running at Armada max timing, but that will be LESS THAN QX's max timing.

If you've got an Armada, use regular unless you'll be driving in ambient conditions that might make your truck knock, such as high altitude and heat or both. Even then, you probably won't feel it!

Not trying to flame you 92... just getting the facts out.

 

[92TripleBlack]

I registered just to set the record straight. 92tripleblack said:
The 10 hp is not from tuning. They use the same programing, motor, etc. They are not virtually identical, they are identical. However, when Infiniti tested the QX56, they used premium. Nissan and Infiniti use an electronic knock sensor. So do most makers. However, they also can advance the timing electronically. If you put premium in the tank. the knock sensor will allow the ECU to advance the timing to match the higher octane gas, giving you the extra HP.

The QX56 engine program is tuned for premium fuel. Armada and Titan are not. Its true that you can run regular fuel in a QX and it will run like an Armada. If you put premium in an Armada, its a waste because the engine will never advance timing enough to get the power. The only advantage you do get is from the knock sensors NOT retarding timing because of low octane. That means you'll be running at Armada max timing, but that will be LESS THAN QX's max timing.

If you've got an Armada, use regular unless you'll be driving in ambient conditions that might make your truck knock, such as high altitude and heat or both. Even then, you probably won't feel it!

Not trying to flame you 92... just getting the facts out.

Conflicts with what I've heard. A guy on the assembly line was my info. Where are you getting this info? BTW, Scr38 had his timing advanced electronically at the dealer 2 degrees. Is this the advance you are talking about? Just going on the best source I have but if you can show I'm incorrect I'm fine with that. I just want to be correct, not "win". Thanks.

 

[SilverQShip]

I heard over at titan talk the the compression is different. Wow, $48k when we went to go get ours the the price with tx was 59 or 60k. Bottomline they're both friggin awesome trucks.

 

[92TripleBlack]

I heard over at titan talk the the compression is different. Wow, $48k when we went to go get ours the the price with tx was 59 or 60k. Bottomline they're both friggin awesome trucks.

Compression is the same. They use the exact same motor from the same stock on the same line. That is incorrect. It would be a reason for higher octane, but in this case, it isn't. Its a timing difference.

 

[Cillyone]

One of my oldest and best (dirt bike) buddies who was a dealer mechanic (computer/drive-ability problems) for +20 years and during which he went many years of engineering night school for his degree and now has worked for 5 years at Snap-On as a diagnostics development engineer. Snap-On actually has him go out and rent virtually every new model on the market and bring them back for diagnostic compatibility test, he has driven and tested the Armada and the Q. I asked him if he knew what made the 10HP difference between the Armada and the QX56, and according to him the only difference is in the sales brochure and every diagnostic variable between the two are identical in every way.

 

[scr38]

One of my oldest and best (dirt bike) buddies who was a dealer mechanic (computer/drive-ability problems) for +20 years and during which he went many years of engineering night school for his degree and now has worked for 5 years at Snap-On as a diagnostics development engineer. Snap-On actually has him go out and rent virtually every new model on the market and bring them back for diagnostic compatibility test, he has driven and tested the Armada and the Q. I asked him if he knew what made the 10HP difference between the Armada and the QX56, and according to him the only difference is in the sales brochure and every diagnostic variable between the two are identical in every way.

This is correct. The engines are identical, the ECMs are the same. You can use either 87 or 93 in either vehicle. The extra 10 HP is on paper.

 

[92TripleBlack]

This is correct. The engines are identical, the ECMs are the same. You can use either 87 or 93 in either vehicle. The extra 10 HP is on paper.

That's what I thought. That other guy posted that the knock sensor on the qx was set up to allow the timing to advance slightly more than on the Armada. I doubt it, but I don't dispute it. I'd like proof, because everything else I've heard is to the contrary. Off to the dealer to get my timing advanced.

 

[SilverQShip]

Well, if theres no hp difference than why are the 0-60 1/4 times different?

 

[92TripleBlack]

Well, if theres no hp difference than why are the 0-60 1/4 times different?

They aren't.
Go reference the regular/super threads. Actually, the QX is probably slower as it weighs a little more. The fastest would be the 4x2 '04 SE.

 

[SilverQShip]

go to the back of a motor trend magazine.(im looking at one right now) Qx56, 0-60 6.8 1/4 [email protected] Nissan Pathfinder Armada, 0-60 7.1 1/4 15.3 2 88.6. Seriously i dont think fuel octane can make that much of a difference.

 

[92TripleBlack]

Sorry. Here are the QX and Armada times. In EVERY publication, the Armada was actually faster 0-60, including MotorTrend, which had conflicting times of 6.8 and 7.2. The difference in times is probably due to altitude, temp, humidity, etc. as well as slight differences between individual rides, but in every case, the QX was............slower.

Octane doesn't make the difference. Timing advance could. Octane just allows the computer to advance the timing, on either vehicle.

QX=7.4
http://www.gtrides.com/qx56.html
http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2333a.shtml
QX=7.2
http://www.modernoffroader.com/infinitiqx56.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=7771&page_number=2
QX=6.8
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0407_heart/index10.html

Armada=7.0 (QX=7.2 same source)
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=7071&page_number=3
Armada=7.1 (QX=7.2 same source)
http://www.modernoffroader.com/nissanpathfinderarmada.html
Armada=7.0 (QX=7.4 same source)
http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2309.shtml
Armada=7.0, 7.1 (QX=6.8, 7.0 and 7.2, same source)
http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/suv/112_0312_suvofty/index3.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0403_suvs/index5.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0403_infiniti/index.html
http://www.motortrend.com/features/scenes/112_0412_suvotytesting/index10.html

BTW, I also determined why there was some confusion about the QX and compression ratios. MotorTrend reported before the QX was made that they had increased the compression ratio to 10:1, which they said accounted for the HP increase over Armada. But the production models came out at 9.8:1, which is what Armadas and Titans are rated at. It may very well be that a few prototypes had the 10:1 and were used for the higher rating. Who knows. But the final products have the same compression ratings.

 

[SilverQShip]

Sorry. Here are the QX and Armada times. In EVERY publication, the Armada was actually faster 0-60, including MotorTrend, which had conflicting times of 6.8 and 7.2. The difference in times is probably due to altitude, temp, humidity, etc. as well as slight differences between individual rides, but in every case, the QX was............slower.

Octane doesn't make the difference. Timing advance could. Octane just allows the computer to advance the timing, on either vehicle.

QX=7.4
http://www.gtrides.com/qx56.html
http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2333a.shtml
QX=7.2
http://www.modernoffroader.com/infinitiqx56.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=7771&page_number=2
QX=6.8
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0407_heart/index10.html

Armada=7.0 (QX=7.2 same source)
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=7071&page_number=3
Armada=7.1 (QX=7.2 same source)
http://www.modernoffroader.com/nissanpathfinderarmada.html
Armada=7.0 (QX=7.4 same source)
http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2309.shtml
Armada=7.0, 7.1 (QX=6.8, 7.0 and 7.2, same source)
http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/suv/112_0312_suvofty/index3.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0403_suvs/index5.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0403_infiniti/index.html
http://www.motortrend.com/features/scenes/112_0412_suvotytesting/index10.html

BTW, I also determined why there was some confusion about the QX and compression ratios. MotorTrend reported before the QX was made that they had increased the compression ratio to 10:1, which they said accounted for the HP increase over Armada. But the production models came out at 9.8:1, which is what Armadas and Titans are rated at. It may very well be that a few prototypes had the 10:1 and were used for the higher rating. Who knows. But the final products have the same compression ratings.

I'm too lazy to click the links but how can i get my compression up?

 

[Cillyone]

go to the back of a motor trend magazine.(im looking at one right now) Qx56, 0-60 6.8 1/4 [email protected] Nissan Pathfinder Armada, 0-60 7.1 1/4 15.3 2 88.6. Seriously i dont think fuel octane can make that much of a difference.

Motor Trend? They have about as much automotive knowledge and credibility as Consumers Reports. Didn't Motor Trend pick the Pinto as a Car of the Year in 1979, Renault Alliance in 1983 ? MT has shown over the years that they are somewhat incompetent. I don't think they could time an egg.