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Brakes... brakes... brakes. Had the rotors turned and new caliper "kit" installed at 2300 miles. Now at 4600 miles, have to take it in again. Called my Nissan dealer and he stated there is a new kit that was released about a month ago. He said that it involves installing NEW LARGER rotors as well as a new kit. He did not have the kit in stock and will call when it is available. Meanwhile, I checked the Nissan Bulletins, and I do see that there is a new bulletin for the Armada/Titan, but no where on the bulletin did it state they were replacing the old rotors for new ones. The new bulletin basically looks like it is just more resurfacing. Anyone else heard about the replacement with the NEW LARGER rotors? Instead of new larger rotors, they need new larger rotors with ventilation holes.
 

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Brakes... brakes... brakes. Had the rotors turned and new caliper "kit" installed at 2300 miles. Now at 4600 miles, have to take it in again. Called my Nissan dealer and he stated there is a new kit that was released about a month ago. He said that it involves installing NEW LARGER rotors as well as a new kit. He did not have the kit in stock and will call when it is available. Meanwhile, I checked the Nissan Bulletins, and I do see that there is a new bulletin for the Armada/Titan, but no where on the bulletin did it state they were replacing the old rotors for new ones. The new bulletin basically looks like it is just more resurfacing. Anyone else heard about the replacement with the NEW LARGER rotors? Instead of new larger rotors, they need new larger rotors with ventilation holes.
Wouldn't drilled rotors warp even faster?
I always thought that rotor warping was due irregular heat dissipation/cooling. Since Nissan chooses to machine rotors for the 1st visit (replace on 2nd visit) thus reducing surface area for such dissipation this simply leads to replacement. I think people have already found that the Armada's rotors are inadequate in size.

BTW I think lately Nissan/Infiniti has missed the mark with brakes. I personally know that Maximas and G35s have had a lot of warping. At 33K miles we are on our way to our 3rd set of rotors under warranty replacement for our 02 Max.
 

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I had it done.

I had the earlier and latest TSB's performed on my Armada and it has helped of course I have only put about 1500 miles on it since then 1/2 of which was towing a 6000 lb trailer. They seem to be doing fine and yes they replaced, rotors pads, and the calipers. I dont know if the rotors are actually larger in diameter or just thicker.
 

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Baer knows brakes...here's their take on cross-drilling and slotting...

What are the benefits to Crossdrilling, Slotting, and Zinc-Washing my rotors?
In years past, crossdrilling and/or Slotting the rotor for racing purposes was beneficial by providing a way to expel the gasses created when the bonding agents employed to manufacture the pads began to break down at extreme temperatures. This condition is often referred to as “green pad fade” or “outgassing”. When it does occur, the driver still has a good firm brake pedal, but simply little or no friction. Since this normally happens only at temperatures witnessed in racing, this can be very exciting!

However, with today’s race pad technology, ‘outgassing’ is no longer much of a concern. When shopping for races pads, or even ultra-high performance road pads, look for the phrases, “dynamic surface treatment”, “race ready”, and/or, “pre-burnished”. When these or similar statements are made by the pad manufacturer, the pad in question will likely have little or no problem with ‘outgassing’. Ironically more pedestrian pads used on most streetcars will still exhibit ‘outgassing’, but only when used at temperatures normally only encountered on the racetrack.

Although crossdrilling and/or slotting will provide a welcome path to expend any gasses when and if they develop, it is primarily a visual enhancement behind today’s often wide-open wheel designs.
Crossdrilling offers the greatest gas relief pathway, but creates potential “stress risers” from which cracks can occur. Baer’s rotors are cast with crossdrilling in mind, from the material specified, to curved vanes, behind which the holes are placed to minimize potential crack migration. Slotted surfaces are what Baer recommends for track only use. Slotted only rotors are offered as an option for any of Baer’s offerings.

Zinc washing is then done to provide a barrier, which resists development of surface scales or rust.
 

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Thanks for all the information. I am getting the new kit installed tomorrow morning so hopefully, this will be the last time.... somehow though, I doubt it.
 

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Had mine done about 600 miles ago, seems fine so far, but I didn't notice the old ones shaking real bad. The dealer noticed it, and did the swap without even asking.

BTW, I've read that there are a few things the driver can do to minimize brake rotor warping. NEVER EVER use an impact wrench to put your wheels on, use a socket, and do final torquing with a torque wrench. For that reason, I do not let the dealer or anybody else rotate my tires (plus, gives me a chance to clean the inside of the wheels). Second, when coming to a stop, try not to hold your foot hard on the brake pedal, particularly after a hard stop. Once the vehicle stops, release the brake pedal a bit, and allow the car to creep forward. This allows the entire rotor to cool evenly. Otherwise, the part clamped by the pads cools at a different rate than the rest of the rotor, which can lead to warping.

I'm not a brake expert, but this seemed to make sense, and I've never had any problems.

Keith
 

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Just to give you all an update... They did not replace the rotors like the said they would. The tech advised me that I already had the new rotors. I told him that I have the original rotors. He was insistant that I had the new ones. I pulled out all the paperwork that indicated work performed on my truck, and then he had the service manager some talk to me. The service manager told me that the rotors only needed to be resurfaced and they installed the "newest" brake kit. After I questioned the new rotor issue with the service manager, he did say that he is not sure why I was told I was getting new rotors or why I was told I had them. I said that is something he needs to talk to the tech about. He then agreed with me that I do have the original rotors. He said that Nissan recommends only replacing the rotors IF I have the problem a 3rd time. I told him that I hope I don't, but probably will, see them in about 2000 miles. As much as these brakes bug me, I have to say I love my Armada. I really do. Anyway, just thought you all might be interested in the update. :)
 

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Had the rotors turned at 21000 miles. Third time. Yikes!

The front pads were down to 20% material remaining. There's your answer for where the brake dust is coming from. That is a heck of a lot of pad to go through in 21k.

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Mine is a 2004.5 (so I'm told), and I've got 3,300 miles on it. Other than the brake dust, I've not had any problems with brake judder or vibration. I'll keep my fingers crossed... :D
 

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5,800 miles on mine and no problems with brake judder yet. Tons of brake dust like every one else but no warpage... Hopefully the '05s will have the brake problems worked out and they will be able to then redo the brakes on the 04s
 

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Just an FYI to everyone with the brake issue. The new TSB states to only replace the rotors when they are beyond the point of resurfacing. The replacement rotors are not larger than the originals. The latest TSB states that a new set of pads (different part #), pin kit and assembly are to be replaced. Another issue that might be causing the warping is the amount of torque they use (98ft lbs). Reducing the torque down to 85ft lbs "should" help resolve the issue (Thaks to JetTech for comming up with that one).
 

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Brake Upgrades

I just bought a 2005 Armada and the difference in ride/squeeks is unbelievable. Regarding the Brakes, they are not going to actually have an increase in size until April of 2005. At this time, they will be replacing the Rotors and Calipers. Around this time, all the Armadas on the line will receive the same upgrade.In the mean time, you should NOT have to pay out of pocket ANY charges for these brakes, should you go out of warranty. I got this from the Dealers technical specialist.
 

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Brakes under warranty

We have had a problem getting Nissan to pay for the brake fix even though we have shown them the TSB. Brake pads were replaced and rotors machined at 7,500 miles. I can't believe that is "normal" wear, which what we were told :mad: (I laughed in his face). We had to have the Armada back, so we paid for them, against our better judgement. Have you all had them replaced as warranty work? Just want to know what we are up against trying to get our money back. Thanks.

P.S. to Slurppie ( I like your sig picture!)
 

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What?? o_O as a concerned Armada owner, I can only say GET YOUR MONEY BACK!! An I thought my dealership was giving me a hassle over it... There is NO way that you should have to pay for this. I would call up the manager at your dealership and tell him what's going on. If nothing happens, contact NissanUSA. A TSB is released because the manufacturer finds a defect in their product, and ALL TSBs are repaired under warranty. Hell, since you have a brake problem now, if it continues past your warranty, Nissan still has to deal with it free of charge. It makes me mad to think that a company making 36-45 thousand dollars off of someone would try and charge for warranty work... I haven't been charged for a single thing, save oil changes and tire rotations.

My deepest condolences, good luck with your situation. And I am off of my soap box...

Hey... if you can't get your money back, you could always run the manager over...
 

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Get Your Money Back!

I can't believe your Nissan dealer actually had you PAY to have your brakes done. I have never had to pay anything for my brakes. I have had the TSB performed on them twice. Everytime I bring the Armada in, they also fill me up on all the fluids, give the truck a wash and vacuum, and tell me if I have any problems, to just give them a call. It almost seems that they were going "overboard" since I have been in three times in 5 months (2 brakes, 1 radio replacement). I would call Nissan USA and inform them of the situation. If they do not help, I would take the dealer to Small Claims Court. Seriously.... it is all about the principle. You would NEVER lose a case where Nissan USA has a TSB out and they say to replace it all under warranty. Think about it MCARMADA. I wish you the best of luck. I also hope that the Service Department, at that dealership, is somehow reprimanded. How awful that they took advantage of you like that! Ok.. I will get off my soap box now too! :)

GOOD LUCK!!!!!!
 

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Nissan Brakes

I don't think Nissan seems to get how use the correct brakes in many models.

While our Armada has only a slight squeek on the inside of each door we don't have any brake issues...yet, but then again it only has about 1500 miles.

On our 02 Maxima we just had our 3rd set of rotors installed today. The car is still under the 3/36 warranty but I did pay for pads this time.

It seems that all of a sudden the stealership is very concerned with corporate follow-up surveys. The car was in for a lot of little issues that I wanted checked out under warranty and I talked to the service department about 5 times today and in EVERY call the advisor mentioned the survey and that thay would do ANYTHING to get "excellent" scores. They even offered free oil changes if I hand-delievered the survey.

The only problem occured when the advisor (during the 1st call) tried to tell my wife that they would be turning the current rotors a second time instead of replacing them. My wife was pi$$ed and refused this 'offer' and insisted on new rotors. The problem arose when he finally complied and said "okay we will take care of it dear" and she hates being talked down to by car dealers...
 

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Irritated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok....here I go again. I had my rotor resurfaced at 2300 miles, again at 4600 miles, and now I am going back on Monday to have them looked at again. I amcurrently at 6700 miles. This is SO IRRITATING! The service writer just said that she is sorry, and that this is happening to the majority of Titans & Armada's. I asked her if they were just going to resurface the rotors, or give me new one's. She said she did not know, and put me on hold. She came back and said that the tech's will look at the rotors and if they can be resurfaced, then they will be. She said they will only replace them if there is nothing left to resurface. I asked her if she was aware of any mass recalls to install larger rotors, and she said no, that as far as she knew, Nissan was just doing the resurfacing/replacing for the time they are under warranty. She then said for my sake, she hopes that they get a fix before my warranty runs out or it will be expensive for me. WHATEVER!!! That is NOT what I wanted to hear. I told my husband about our conversation, and now he is going to call back and talk to a manager. A friend of ours actually got sick of all the problems with his QX56. He took his back to the dealer, and after going round and round, the dealership bought back his QX56. I do love my Armada, but looking at the big picture, I wonder if this is Nissan's ultimate plan... to just keep fixing until the warranties run out, and then say oh well, you are on your own now. I hope the rumors I hear that there will be a recall on or around April 2005 are true, and they are installing larger rotors. Something needs to be done.... and now!! :mad:
 

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rotor issues

It seems like all of Nissans castings are really crappy even for the Infinity line. The Q45 has huge brakes and the rotors still warp in 12k or less. All the Maxima's and Altimas....same deal. The Armada has a 13" rotor and a dual piston caliper, this should be plenty big. I hope the recall offers something of real value because everything to this point has been a joke.
 

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brakes

We had our rotors replaced with the "new ones" and 2000 miles later, the same problem. We have 24 inch rims so that may add to it.....anyway we gave up and ended up buying customized rotors with slots....the braking has never been better....and it beats having to take the car into the dealer all the time
 

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We had our rotors replaced with the "new ones" and 2000 miles later, the same problem. We have 24 inch rims so that may add to it.....anyway we gave up and ended up buying customized rotors with slots....the braking has never been better....and it beats having to take the car into the dealer all the time
I hope I dont' have brake problems. I'm only at 350miles..though heh. If i do, i'll get the ones they are selling on stillen.com
 
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