Did anyone notice the 2007 Tahoe has copied just about every feature of the Armada? Imitation is the Greatest Form of Flattery! Power Liftgate, backup camera, second row seats that fold just like Armada. I even think some of the body lines are similar. Although it still suffers from slow 0-60 times. What turns me off the most is that fugly steering wheel that looks like it was taken out of a Malibu. I look forward to seeing the Yukon and Escalade editions.
Did anyone notice the 2007 Tahoe has copied just about every feature of the Armada?
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http://www.chevrolet.com/tahoe/2007/photogallery/ 
Huge leap forward, but not enough to make me trade. They still need a real drivetrain in them.
Huge leap forward, but not enough to make me trade. They still need a real drivetrain in them.
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Comparison
Here's all the side by sides straight off the Edmunds GM link. Tahoe has Onstar, optional active suspension, lumbar, and a standard hitch. That's about it. BTW, they use the options from '04 and don't include LE options such as heated seats, '06 mirrors, etc. They also had several mistakes such as Armada no heated seats(Dual front on LE), no memorized seat settings(standard on LE), Tahoe seats 5, armada no trip computer(mine has 2) ,Armada no NAV(optional on LE). They also didn't list homelink. They were listed as the same price.
Tahoe 16v, Armada 32v
Tahoe 320 rated HP, vs. Armada 305 rated
Tahoe 340 rated TQ vs. Armada 385 rated
Tahoe solid rear axel vs. Armada independent rear
Tahoe Active suspension optional vs. N/A on Armada
Tahoe has 17x7.5 rims vs. Armada 18x8
Tahoe has 265x70-17 tires, vs. larger diameter Armada 265-70-18
Tahoe Steel spare vs. Armada Alloy rim. Rotate 4 vs. 5 tires
Tahoe N/A vs. Armada Rear power swing out windows Optional
Tahoe intermittent wipers vs. Armada variable intermittent
Tahoe Trailer hitch/wiring standard vs. Armada Optional
Tahoe N/A vs. Armada Skid plates standard
Tahoe 6 seat positions Armada 8 seat positions
Tahoe Lumbar adjustment, Armada N/A
Tahoe N/A Armada Seat Height adjustable
Second row 40/60 Tahoe vs. 40/20/40 Armada
third row 50/50 tahoe vs. 60/40 Armada
Tahoe 1 one touch window Armada 2
Tahoe Adustable pedals Optional vs. Armada Adustable pedals Stanard
Tahoe N/A vs. Armada Cargo net and cargo tie downs standard
Tahoe AC vs. Armada Dual Auto climate control
Tahle N/A vs Armada cabin Air filter standard
Tahoe N/A vs. Armada Traction control standard
Tahoe N/A vs. Armada autodimiing rear mirror standard
Tahoe N/A vs. Armada side airbag optional
Tahoe Head airbag optional vs. standard Head airbag Armada
Tahoe rear headrests 2 vs. Armada rear headrests 3
Tahoe anti-theft system N/A vs Armada anti-theft system Standard
Tahoe single CD vs. Armada 6 disc
Tahoe Onstar vs. Armada N/A
Total, Tahoe 5, Armada 24.
Here's all the side by sides straight off the Edmunds GM link. Tahoe has Onstar, optional active suspension, lumbar, and a standard hitch. That's about it. BTW, they use the options from '04 and don't include LE options such as heated seats, '06 mirrors, etc. They also had several mistakes such as Armada no heated seats(Dual front on LE), no memorized seat settings(standard on LE), Tahoe seats 5, armada no trip computer(mine has 2) ,Armada no NAV(optional on LE). They also didn't list homelink. They were listed as the same price.
Tahoe 16v, Armada 32v
Tahoe 320 rated HP, vs. Armada 305 rated
Tahoe 340 rated TQ vs. Armada 385 rated
Tahoe solid rear axel vs. Armada independent rear
Tahoe Active suspension optional vs. N/A on Armada
Tahoe has 17x7.5 rims vs. Armada 18x8
Tahoe has 265x70-17 tires, vs. larger diameter Armada 265-70-18
Tahoe Steel spare vs. Armada Alloy rim. Rotate 4 vs. 5 tires
Tahoe N/A vs. Armada Rear power swing out windows Optional
Tahoe intermittent wipers vs. Armada variable intermittent
Tahoe Trailer hitch/wiring standard vs. Armada Optional
Tahoe N/A vs. Armada Skid plates standard
Tahoe 6 seat positions Armada 8 seat positions
Tahoe Lumbar adjustment, Armada N/A
Tahoe N/A Armada Seat Height adjustable
Second row 40/60 Tahoe vs. 40/20/40 Armada
third row 50/50 tahoe vs. 60/40 Armada
Tahoe 1 one touch window Armada 2
Tahoe Adustable pedals Optional vs. Armada Adustable pedals Stanard
Tahoe N/A vs. Armada Cargo net and cargo tie downs standard
Tahoe AC vs. Armada Dual Auto climate control
Tahle N/A vs Armada cabin Air filter standard
Tahoe N/A vs. Armada Traction control standard
Tahoe N/A vs. Armada autodimiing rear mirror standard
Tahoe N/A vs. Armada side airbag optional
Tahoe Head airbag optional vs. standard Head airbag Armada
Tahoe rear headrests 2 vs. Armada rear headrests 3
Tahoe anti-theft system N/A vs Armada anti-theft system Standard
Tahoe single CD vs. Armada 6 disc
Tahoe Onstar vs. Armada N/A
Total, Tahoe 5, Armada 24.
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One thing they didn't copy was the fold flat 3rd row seat. Major mistake in my book, to really use the storage area, you need to remove the seats.BostonBob said:
I looked at the new Tahoe closely at the LA Auto Show last week, it is so much better than the previous gen Tahoe / Suburban! But, still not as good as the Armada, although some of the interior plastics did seem a little nicer.
One thing I noticed was no direct cooling fan on the Tahoe, only electric fans. The engine looked as though something was missing, you could almost climb between the block and the radiator.
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Nice write up Triple. We have the clear winner there. I was at my local Nissan dealer this weekend - they have only sold a handful of Armadas all year. Not sure why - of course I doubt there are many tahoe's flyin off the lots either... except for the 15K discounts off MSRP.
Keith - you brought up a good point. That 3rd row seat is key feature of Armada that helped sell the idea to wifey poo. I almost went with 2005 Expedition Limited but Armada had so many better features I couldn't resist. I had test driven a Denali (it was my dream truck for years) but truth is - I did not like it all that much on road. I just did not feel comfortable. Those removeable seats are better than my '01 Expo but still are PITA. I love the flexibility of Armada.
Keith - you brought up a good point. That 3rd row seat is key feature of Armada that helped sell the idea to wifey poo. I almost went with 2005 Expedition Limited but Armada had so many better features I couldn't resist. I had test driven a Denali (it was my dream truck for years) but truth is - I did not like it all that much on road. I just did not feel comfortable. Those removeable seats are better than my '01 Expo but still are PITA. I love the flexibility of Armada.
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The body look more Explorerish (if that's a word) to me. No thanks.. Armada body style is still the champ. Am I nutz (and not to start a flame fest).. but I actually prefer the Armada to the Lexus version. IMO the front grill kills the QX.. altough I like the xenons and LED taillights.
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One thing Nissan needs to steal from Chevy is the seat design...not the folding but the side bolster etc. The two major interior gripes I have with mine, one of which was fixed on the 06 is split 3rd row and uncomfortable front seats. The front passenger seat sucks to ride in. You are always pushing your self back into it. It funny to watch someone new to the car ride in the seat and constantly fidgeting. They don't really notice they are constantly trying to get comfortable until I point it out to them....then they start complaining non stop so I just keep it to myself anymore. The side bolsters are non existent. I also wish they'd make the center of the 2nd row capable of reclining.
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Uh, you mean Infiniti right?ChuckD said:
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Chevy didn't copy anything, those features are the trend. That 2007 was in the works and being pieces were being made (if they are built and ready to sell now) back in early 2004, and design had to be a year or better before that.
But it is nice to know the '07 Chevy isn't the same as the last 10 years it has been..
I still like my Armada so far.
But it is nice to know the '07 Chevy isn't the same as the last 10 years it has been..
I still like my Armada so far.
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Last major revision was in the 2000 model.Houston_Rider said:
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If look at the pic on Chevy's website with the bike showing on the Nav screen, you can tell that it doesnt even have the lines that represent certain distances. I think this new Tahoe is a good car (a lot better than the previous gen.) but it wont make me think twice about my Qx56 purchase.
-Son of SQS (i havent been using this much but all of this month and last months post have been by me and not my dad)
-Son of SQS (i havent been using this much but all of this month and last months post have been by me and not my dad)
Yes, but you'll get $25K in rebates, college grad discounts, employee prices, fire sale discounts, and we lose market share evey day so please buy an automobile from the General discounts. This is a serious make or break vehicle line for them. The bigger they are the harder they fall.drcookie said:
The whole third row seat deal kind of sums up GM in a nutshell. For everything else that might be right, it's such a major bonehead screw up. Having a gigantic 3rd row to take out and put somewhere (so many people have room to kill in their garage) plus, you are SOL when you want the flexibility most- third row up, or third row down, no planning ahead necessary. :duh: Lets face it, any one at GM that is any good is working on concept cars or the Corvette line, or is trying to get in to Caddy.IMHO!Campfamily said:
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My big question...
...is what's with the 2007 models in January of 2006??? Are they that hard up for new models? Generally we're not seeing the next calendar year models until the fall of the current year.
...is what's with the 2007 models in January of 2006??? Are they that hard up for new models? Generally we're not seeing the next calendar year models until the fall of the current year.
I drove a new Tahoe yesterday. Some observations:
Power-wise, the updated Vortech is pretty comparable to the Armada . I did notice that the 'ho doesn't have quite as much power between 50mph-70mph. The Armada seems to merge into traffic easier. Overall I think that the Nissan tranny is the difference. The engine management which switches from 4 to 8 cylinders on the Tahoe at highway speeds was completely seamless. I didn't even notice it until I looked down at the display and saw it was in "4 cyl economy mode". 22mpg highway is very attractive for a v8 engine- I wish my Armada did better but oh well.
Road noise: Comparable. My Armada was a little noisier (just a little) even though I've dynamatted all my doors. Chevy did a good job on sound insulation. No rattles or squeaks on the Chevy either. I can't say that about my Armada.
Comfort: The seats on the Chevy felt a little too "springy" for me, and actually kind of cheap feeling. Normally Chevy makes really comfortable, wide seats but I wasn't blown away by these new ones. The Armada is just as comfortable.
Room: The new Tahoes aren't much bigger than the old ones. The Armada has a bigger back area (where the 3rd row is) and I can't believe Chevy still has those damn 3rd row seats that you have to remove. I didn't sit in the 2nd row but I did notice that this new model is not that much bigger than the 2000 model I used to own.
Interior: The interior was very nice, but not really that much better than the Armada. The quality of materials seems a bit better and the model I drove had wood-grain all around which was nice. The quality of the plastic is definitely better in the Chevy. Nissan's plastic sucks ass- it scratches too easily and looks cheap in my opinion.
Overall I was expecting the Tahoe to be a lot better than it was. It's a nice vehicle, but considering that it's a brand new for '07 model and my Armada is an '04 model, it seems like Chevy is just now catching up to Nissan. I imagine that the next-gen Armada will blow the Tahoe away. For now, they're pretty close but I'll have to give an edge to the Armada. Big surprise I know, but if you've been on the boards for any length of time you know I have no special loyalty to Nissan.
I did like the Tahoe- the engine was almost as powerful as the Nissan and you'll definitely get better mileage with the engine management. Who knows about reliability with such a system, but on the surface it's a great idea to squeeze decent mileage out of a big gas engine. I liked the looks of the Tahoe I drove (it was a level 3 LT model). It's not as agressive looking as the Armada, but it does look nice.
So overall, the Tahoe gets a solid B+. I'll keep my Armada though.
Power-wise, the updated Vortech is pretty comparable to the Armada . I did notice that the 'ho doesn't have quite as much power between 50mph-70mph. The Armada seems to merge into traffic easier. Overall I think that the Nissan tranny is the difference. The engine management which switches from 4 to 8 cylinders on the Tahoe at highway speeds was completely seamless. I didn't even notice it until I looked down at the display and saw it was in "4 cyl economy mode". 22mpg highway is very attractive for a v8 engine- I wish my Armada did better but oh well.
Road noise: Comparable. My Armada was a little noisier (just a little) even though I've dynamatted all my doors. Chevy did a good job on sound insulation. No rattles or squeaks on the Chevy either. I can't say that about my Armada.
Comfort: The seats on the Chevy felt a little too "springy" for me, and actually kind of cheap feeling. Normally Chevy makes really comfortable, wide seats but I wasn't blown away by these new ones. The Armada is just as comfortable.
Room: The new Tahoes aren't much bigger than the old ones. The Armada has a bigger back area (where the 3rd row is) and I can't believe Chevy still has those damn 3rd row seats that you have to remove. I didn't sit in the 2nd row but I did notice that this new model is not that much bigger than the 2000 model I used to own.
Interior: The interior was very nice, but not really that much better than the Armada. The quality of materials seems a bit better and the model I drove had wood-grain all around which was nice. The quality of the plastic is definitely better in the Chevy. Nissan's plastic sucks ass- it scratches too easily and looks cheap in my opinion.
Overall I was expecting the Tahoe to be a lot better than it was. It's a nice vehicle, but considering that it's a brand new for '07 model and my Armada is an '04 model, it seems like Chevy is just now catching up to Nissan. I imagine that the next-gen Armada will blow the Tahoe away. For now, they're pretty close but I'll have to give an edge to the Armada. Big surprise I know, but if you've been on the boards for any length of time you know I have no special loyalty to Nissan.
I did like the Tahoe- the engine was almost as powerful as the Nissan and you'll definitely get better mileage with the engine management. Who knows about reliability with such a system, but on the surface it's a great idea to squeeze decent mileage out of a big gas engine. I liked the looks of the Tahoe I drove (it was a level 3 LT model). It's not as agressive looking as the Armada, but it does look nice.
So overall, the Tahoe gets a solid B+. I'll keep my Armada though.
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