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Nismo R34GT-R Z-Tune

Ever since the Nissan Skyline GT-R was created in 1989 with the R32, the car gained an immediate following in Japan. Unfortunately, not many Americans knew about it in the early years because it was never officially marketed in the U.S.; but it didn't take long for import enthusiasts here to catch wind of the Skyline's awesome performance.

When the car was in its second generation (R33), the 2+2 GT had reached cult status. The most recent rendition of the Skyline GT-R (R34) was discontinued two years ago, signaling the end of an era (a new one will begin with the 2007 GT-R, which will be marketed in the U.S.). Nismo, the motorsports division of Nissan, is paying homage to this legend by creating a super-special version — of which only 20 will be built — called the R34GT-R Z-Tune.

The story we were told was that Nismo employees scoured Japan for used Skyline GT-Rs with less than 30,000 km on the odometer. Once they found 20, they went to work and built the ultimate GT-R.

First they took apart the engine. The displacement of the RB26DETT has been bored out to 2771 cc. Going by the name Z2, the 2.8-liter inline-6 features, among other things, racing camshafts with variable valve timing and lift, a custom crankshaft and connecting rods, new pistons and a bigger turbocharger. Breathing has been improved via a custom stainless-steel inlet pipe and cat-back exhaust. The changes result in 495 bhp at 6800 rpm and 398 lb.-ft. of torque at 5200. The power is transferred to all four wheels through the stock 6-speed manual gearbox.

Handling has been improved with Sachs shock absorbers at all four corners, and the brakes updated with Brembos.

Every component works in harmony. The power comes on ferociously, pressing your entire torso into the bucket seat. Each upshift is met with a loud wastegate pop, and an extra surge forward. The sensation is that of a race car, pure and simple. Its claimed acceleration figures are eye-opening: According to Nismo, the car ran the quarter mile in 10.1 seconds; its zero-to-60-mph time is around 3.0 flat. That's faster than the Ferrari Enzo.

When it comes time to negotiate a bend, the R34GT-R gets the job done with super-crisp turn-in and razor-sharp steering. Sticky Bridgestone Potenzas wrapped around Nismo's GT500 forged alloy wheels provide excellent grip through all corners, although the rear end can get a bit loose if you get on the throttle too abruptly in mid-turn. Nismo says it pulls 1.0g around a skidpad.

The Nismo R34GT-R Z-Tune is a special car, and Nismo priced it as such, with a sticker of about $170,000. A lot of money, yes, but it delivers thrills beyond belief. — Sam Mitani :eek: :machinegu
 

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http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=12&article_id=2433&page_number=1

Nismo R34GT-R Z-Tune

Ever since the Nissan Skyline GT-R was created in 1989 with the R32, the car gained an immediate following in Japan. Unfortunately, not many Americans knew about it in the early years because it was never officially marketed in the U.S.; but it didn't take long for import enthusiasts here to catch wind of the Skyline's awesome performance.

When the car was in its second generation (R33), the 2+2 GT had reached cult status. The most recent rendition of the Skyline GT-R (R34) was discontinued two years ago, signaling the end of an era (a new one will begin with the 2007 GT-R, which will be marketed in the U.S.). Nismo, the motorsports division of Nissan, is paying homage to this legend by creating a super-special version — of which only 20 will be built — called the R34GT-R Z-Tune.

The story we were told was that Nismo employees scoured Japan for used Skyline GT-Rs with less than 30,000 km on the odometer. Once they found 20, they went to work and built the ultimate GT-R.

First they took apart the engine. The displacement of the RB26DETT has been bored out to 2771 cc. Going by the name Z2, the 2.8-liter inline-6 features, among other things, racing camshafts with variable valve timing and lift, a custom crankshaft and connecting rods, new pistons and a bigger turbocharger. Breathing has been improved via a custom stainless-steel inlet pipe and cat-back exhaust. The changes result in 495 bhp at 6800 rpm and 398 lb.-ft. of torque at 5200. The power is transferred to all four wheels through the stock 6-speed manual gearbox.

Handling has been improved with Sachs shock absorbers at all four corners, and the brakes updated with Brembos.

Every component works in harmony. The power comes on ferociously, pressing your entire torso into the bucket seat. Each upshift is met with a loud wastegate pop, and an extra surge forward. The sensation is that of a race car, pure and simple. Its claimed acceleration figures are eye-opening: According to Nismo, the car ran the quarter mile in 10.1 seconds; its zero-to-60-mph time is around 3.0 flat. That's faster than the Ferrari Enzo.

When it comes time to negotiate a bend, the R34GT-R gets the job done with super-crisp turn-in and razor-sharp steering. Sticky Bridgestone Potenzas wrapped around Nismo's GT500 forged alloy wheels provide excellent grip through all corners, although the rear end can get a bit loose if you get on the throttle too abruptly in mid-turn. Nismo says it pulls 1.0g around a skidpad.

The Nismo R34GT-R Z-Tune is a special car, and Nismo priced it as such, with a sticker of about $170,000. A lot of money, yes, but it delivers thrills beyond belief. — Sam Mitani :eek: :machinegu
Could get much faster in a vette. 8.95 second quarter, 1.2Gs, stock body and interior for under $100 grand street legal. The Skyline sounds like a great car, just poor for bang for the buck.
 

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Could get much faster in a vette. 8.95 second quarter, 1.2Gs, stock body and interior for under $100 grand street legal. The Skyline sounds like a great car, just poor for bang for the buck.
I think you've lost your mind.....there isn't ONE single Vett that can pull an 8.95 1/4 mile and also fly around corners. I know you have all your opinions and are an Import hater....BUT I think I know more then you in this subject.

Me and my friends have built several race cars and I have a lot of buddies that run in the 7-10 second range. My buddy with a MTI 422ci C5 runs mid 9 second times with hefty slicks and that thing wouldn't stay straight around a turn if his life depended on it.

You can't compare a RARE, FACTORY, LIMITED edition production car with some supped up unreliable muscle car. It's like saying well, Pat Musi and John Force can smoke that thing!!! That's a stupid argument...you can't compare apples to oranges. A little dinky 4 banger EVO will smoke the **** out of a C6 Vett on a track also. But you have to give props where it's due.

I'll take that Nismo Skyline over any Vette!! You just need to give props where it's due and be more open minded. Raised trucks and Vette's don't rule the world! ;) :D
 

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http://www.lingenfelter.com/img/press/lpe - 8 sec Vette.mov
Here's the movie.
The Lingenfelter vette is a twin turbo 427. Yes, it does the above stats and you can have one for $50K plus the cost of a standard C5 vette. You can get those for under $20k but a new one puts you close to $100k. I don't hate imports. I hate the ignorance that people have that think domestics are inferior or "couldn't do that". Its BS. Vettes dominate GTR racing, not Skylines. Again, its a great car, but bang for the buck, it sucks. Course, so does a Ferrari Enzo and the Bugatti, but I wouldn't say they were bad cars either. ;)
BTW, that ain't a rare factory car. If you want to say that, a C6R GT1 car is a rare factory car. And if you want to go racing, they've won the ultimate road race, LeMans, finishing First and Second 5 out of the last 6 years. You can't go to a dealer and buy that skyline. You can't buy one period in the US. But you can get the Lingenfelter, and for that matter, you could get a Saleen or Calloway from a dealer in the US with warranty, etc.

And it sounds like your buddy can't drive if he can't corner in a vette. The Skyline and EVO can't pull the same Gs as a C6. The modified ones can't pull the same Gs as a modified vette. Sure they are balanced, but they will end up sliding sideways before the vette does. That's Gs.
 

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Hmmm, I didn't see that Lingenfelter Vette on a road race course?? And are you trying to tell me a stock RWD car can out handle a stock AWD sports car??

Why does a stock EVO hold the lap record time over a stock C6? So I guess bang for buck the EVO is a way better car? Why does the Vette get smoked by almost every other sports car in a straight line when compared to other cars in its same class and price range? Even the Honda NSX smokes the Vette in the 1/4 mile stock?

How can I be a Domestic hater when I race a Ford Mustang on both road courses and the 1/4 mile? I've been in almost every type of sports car including a pumped R32 Skyline, blown/turbo/nitrous imports and V8's....so I love all performance cars. You can get a civic HB to run 8 second 1/4 mile times for under $100K easily....does that make it a super bad ass, bang for the buck car right? A production Nismo skyline (only 20 will be made) will be worth a $HIT load more money then a Lingenfelter Vette ever will. (And Lingenfelter is not STREET legal, at least not in CA) :D

And are you saying that Chevy and the C5R dominate the Lemans racing series?? The American Lemans series was only established in like 1999, and since then the Chevy team has done OKAY....they have NEVER won the European LeMans which has been going on for years and years. And of course there are no Skylines in the AMERICAN Lemans....Nissan and Toyota participate in the JGTC, again you comparing apples to oranges.

Again here is a good video showing your almighty Corvette racing other cars in its class and taking on a road course. Places one spot below the EVO on the road course and comes in second to last in the 1/4 mile. :D

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1218157444012227484&q=C6+top+gear
 

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http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=35&article_id=2834
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=35&article_id=2848

Yes. RWD can outhandle 4WD. 4WD does not guarentee that a car can outhandle another. Yes, I've seen the top gear review. Stock Lambo vs. Euro only EVO. So what. The Lambo would be crushed in the above event.

The EVO holds what lap time over the C6? The Top Gear lap time? Do you live in England? Again, THAT ISN"T AVAILABLE IN THE US AND IT COST TWICE AS MUCH AS THE ONE AVAILABLE HERE. IT IS ALMOST TWICE AS EXPENSIVE AS A VETTE.

I watched the video. They tested a stock C6 vs. the TVR, a $70k car. This should have been against the Z06, which is at a similar price point, not the $45k base model vette. They also put up the 911. I noticed it said Turbo on the bumper. It costs $140k and does the quarter in 12.2. Impressive. Too bad the $65k Z06 does it in 11.5. It even beat the Type R NSX, which is like your skyline limited in production and costs $130k.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=9829&page_number=2

Since when does a vette get smoked by other cars in a straight line? The NSX has been slower than the vette since 1992. What cars are you looking at? The Skyline? Its smoked by the NSX in the quarter, which in turn is smoked by the vette. The standard C6 is 12.6 quarter. The EVO VIII is a 13.4.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=16&article_id=8536&page_number=2

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=7638&page_number=3

They need to make 200 cars to be called production. Otherwise they are not production and cannot race in production races. This is why Porsche made 200 959s. That Skyline isn't production. Yes, it will be worth a lot of money for its rarity, but not its performance. The Lingenfelter would be as street legal in California as the Skyline. And all the stats I've shown are on street tires.

BTW, here's the results poll from Top Gear. Standard vette. Wonder where the Z06 would fit. Probably be within the top 3.
Heres the top gear times for reference

Ferrari F60 Enzo - 1.19.0
Porsche Carerra GT - 1.19.8
Mercedes McLaren SLR - 1.20.9
Ford GT - 1.21.9
Ferrari 360 CS - 1.22.3
Porsche GT3 RS - 1.22.3
Murcielago - 1.23.7
Zonda - 1.23.8 (wet track)
Koenigsegg - 1.23.9
Noble - 1.25.0
Gallardo - 1.25.8
Lotus Exige - 1.26.4
Chevrolet Corvette - 1.26.8
Porsche 911 GT3 - 1.27.2
TVR 350c - 1.27.5
BMW M3 CSL - 1.28.0 (wet track)
Dodge Viper SRT-10 - 1.28.5 (wet track)
MG SV - 1.28.6
Porsche 911 Carrera S - 1.28.9 (wet track)
Mitsubishi Evo VIII - 1.28.9 (This is the British 320 version, not the slower 280 US version)
Lamborgini Murcielago - 1:29 (wet track)
BMW Alpine Z8 - 1.29.0
Mercedes CL65 - 1.29
Alfa 3.7 GTA - 1.30.0
Subaru Impreza STI - 1.30.1
Aston Martin DB7 GT - 1.30.4
Audi S4 - 1.30.9
Porsche 911 turbo - 1.31.0
Vauxhall VX 220 turbo - 1.31.3
Honda NSX Type R - 1.31.6
BMW M3 - 1.31.8
 

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20 bucks says hes gonna bring out the Z06, I've been waiting for someone to help me on this topic.I've just been too lazy to bring the facts on the table like you have. Anyways i'd rather have a rare nismo skyline than a lingenfelter dragster anyday. Aside from that lets try and keep this professional and mature, Tb is a friend so dont get personal.

-son of SQS
 

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20 bucks says hes gonna bring out the Z06, I've been waiting for someone to help me on this topic.I've just been too lazy to bring the facts on the table like you have. Anyways i'd rather have a rare nismo skyline than a lingenfelter dragster anyday. Aside from that lets try and keep this professional and mature, Tb is a friend so dont get personal.

-son of SQS
If you want to compare the C6 to other cars, fine. Pick the Evo 280, Standard R34 Skyline, non turbo 911, etc. Don't pick $100k+ exotics. That's apples to oranges. If you want to use them, go apples to apples and use the performance version of the vette like you used the performance version of the 911 (turbo), the EVO (320 or 400), Skyline GTR Ztune, and the NSX (Type R). Fair is fair.

This is a skyline.
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/nissan_skyline.asp
This is not a skyline. It is a custom car with $80k in modifications.
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/nismo_gt-r_z-tune.asp
 

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92TripleBlack I watched the video. They tested a stock C6 vs. the TVR said:
I will not join the argument over which is the better car as I haven't driven either of them, but TB you should be careful about comparing prices in the UK. The C06 Vette will cost you around $81,000 on the road in the UK so against a $70K car it should fair well. The Vette costs 45,850 pounds, so as in most things the price you see in the UK in pounds is the same as you would pay in $ in the USA.

Heres what a UK mag thought of the Vette.

http://www.whatcar.co.uk/car-review-summary.aspx?RT=751

Nissan don't bring the Skyline into the UK as an official import.
 

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First of all that skyline is a skyline, that's like saying an sl55 amg isn't a mercedes sl. Nismo is a tuning house for nissan jus like amg is a tuning house for mercedes. And that list u posted is of the old 04' evo n subaru I'll post pics of the lap board with the evo at least .3s ahead of the vette. I guarantee the z06 will not be in the top 3 maybe top 10, americans can't design proper handling cars. The drag race was over a tvr t350c vs honda nsx(not type r) regular carrera and a c6. First was tvr, second was nsx, third was c6, and last place was porsche.
 

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92TripleBlack I watched the video. They tested a stock C6 vs. the TVR said:
I will not join the argument over which is the better car as I haven't driven either of them, but TB you should be careful about comparing prices in the UK. The C06 Vette will cost you around $81,000 on the road in the UK so against a $70K car it should fair well. The Vette costs 45,850 pounds, so as in most things the price you see in the UK in pounds is the same as you would pay in $ in the USA.

Heres what a UK mag thought of the Vette.

http://www.whatcar.co.uk/car-review-summary.aspx?RT=751

Nissan don't bring the Skyline into the UK as an official import.
Correct. But I'm not comparing cars to buy in the UK, nor are any of the proponents of the Skyline. They are US based guys so lets look at US prices. Even still, they still compared the Vette, even at 80K, to cars costing twice as much in the UK.
 

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First of all that skyline is a skyline, that's like saying an sl55 amg isn't a mercedes sl. Nismo is a tuning house for nissan jus like amg is a tuning house for mercedes. And that list u posted is of the old 04' evo n subaru I'll post pics of the lap board with the evo at least .3s ahead of the vette. I guarantee the z06 will not be in the top 3 maybe top 10, americans can't design proper handling cars. The drag race was over a tvr t350c vs honda nsx(not type r) regular carrera and a c6. First was tvr, second was nsx, third was c6, and last place was porsche.
Wrong. If you actually look on the bumpers of the acura and the porsche, they said type R and Turbo. They didn't say in the dialog that they were, but they were. As for the evo, you're high. No way it will be in the top 3. As for Americans and handing, do you think a vette is a Chevelle? The vettes have been and continue to be some of the best handling cars in the world, period. The Z06 pulls 1.2Gs. Name one car that comes even close. It has one of the fastest stock track times on the German track, which I've posted before. The only stock car that beat it around the track was the $550k Porsche Carrera GT. Even the Top Gear guys didn't say it handled bad. They said it had a harsh ride. Huge difference. They did say it went fast around the corners and that it worked. Get real. This isn't a fox platform mustang. :rolleyes:
 

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