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I probably should have asked this before I traded in my F250 on the Armada, but I feel pretty confident I am within the acceptable levels on the Armada and the Camper. My Dry weight on camper is 6700lbs so I should be golden. Who else is using their Armada as a Tow Vehicle for an RV? What weights are you looking at? How's it pull? Intersted to hear from anyone with a Travel Trailer and can give some insight !

 

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There's a few of us here that tow RVs.. I have a weekend warrior 23 foot, gross is 7,700 lbs, the tongue is just about 900lbs which is the max the mada with the big tow package can support, you'll want to be sure to have the tow package. I use the equalizer brand weight distribution hitch and it works real well, the mada has the muscle to pull the trailer with no issues. With a dry 6,700lbs you'll probably be close to the madas towing limit once it's loaded though.
 

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Chris - nice rig! If you haven't already, do a search on trailer towing, a bunch of us do tow with our Armada, and there is some great information on this site about what we've learned (good and bad). The Armada makes a great tow vehicle, so long as you recognize that it's a 1/2 ton truck, and accept those limitations. We tow a 26' Prowler trailer, dry weight about 4300#s, fully loaded around 5500, so we're quite a bit lighter than you. We have towed all over the Western US, including some pretty steep and long mountain grades at high altitudes, with absolutely no troubles or issues.

Welcome to the forum, and hope to see you on the road or in a campground some day!!

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My dry weight is 6785 to be exact, and my tounge weight is 720. Even with 1000 pounds of stuff in it which I don't have that would put me at 7785, and say 500lbs in passengers 7785(TV)+ 5558(Mada)+ 500lbs(Passengers)= 13848GCVW which is under the 15000 for the Armada. Does my math sound right? I do have the weight distribution hitch, and I am going to get a Prodigy Brake controller installed this week, Mada does have Trailer Tow Package and is pre wired for the Break Controller. I've towed my trailer with a Suburban and a F250, so I am intrested to see how the Armada does. Thanks for the imput , and keep it coming. :urock:
 

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My dry weight is 6785 to be exact, and my tounge weight is 720. Even with 1000 pounds of stuff in it which I don't have that would put me at 7785, and say 500lbs in passengers 7785(TV)+ 5558(Mada)+ 500lbs(Passengers)= 13848GCVW which is under the 15000 for the Armada. Does my math sound right? I do have the weight distribution hitch, and I am going to get a Prodigy Brake controller installed this week, Mada does have Trailer Tow Package and is pre wired for the Break Controller. I've towed my trailer with a Suburban and a F250, so I am intrested to see how the Armada does. Thanks for the imput , and keep it coming. :urock:
Chris - the issue you're going to run into is the GVWR of the Armada, not the GCWR of the Armada / trailer combo. At max tongue weight of the Armada, you don't have any reserve for cargo / people in the truck. Example, my tongue weight is about 650 #s loaded. With my wife and 2 kids, plus a full tank of gas, I calculate that I'm at or slightly over the Armada GVWR. Add some stuff in the truck (say, firewood, bikes, canoe on the roof, etc.), and I'm way over. My solution is to put everything in the trailer (except the wife and kids of course!!). Also, don't underestimate the weight that you have in the trailer. You state that you're 6785 dry. Did you measure that, or is it from the brochure? If it's from the brochure, then you're way heavier than that. Then, add in batteries, propane, water (you're never completely empty), stabilizing blocks, chocks, lawn chairs, bar-b-que, firewood, the list goes on and on. My trailer advertised dry weight is 4200 #s. I'm at almost 5000 before I even start loading up with clothes, food, beer, etc.

I have a weight calculator in Excel, I'll send it to you via PM. It will give you a good idea of what you might weigh. But, best approach is to hook it up and take it down to the local truck scale and see what it really is.

BTW, the issues that we have with respect to GVWR of the Armada is not specific to us, it applies to all 1/2 ton vehicles. To tow at max tow rating, your tow vehicle needs to be completely empty. Look at the disclaimer in the manual, it says that all weights are calculated on an empty vehicle with only a driver on board. Add weight to the vehicle, and it comes right off the tow rating.

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My dry weight is 6785 to be exact, and my tounge weight is 720. ...
That doesn't sound right. With a Dry weight of 6785, it's probably closer to 7200-lbs on the scales and the Hitch Weight should be more like 920-lbs which would most likely exceed your GVWR before passengers are loaded.

Like Keith said, the GVW is what kills us because our curb weight is heavier than a pickup truck so our payload capacity is less and the TT actual hitch weights are pretty dadgumned heavy compared to other types of trailers like boats, etc.. And that's not to mention the TT manufacturers dance around providing accurate numbers so they can sell their trailers.
 

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My guess is that your actual Hitch Weight is exceeding your payload capacity, but that's just a guess. I'd suggest finding a scale to weigh it all on before doing anything else.

http://catscale.findlocation.com/


In all honesty, if you are exceeding your payload capacity then you're definitely not alone. Although it's not suggested, it's ultimately your decision that matters.

My only concern would be a lawsuit in the event of an accident. I haven't ever heard of a lawsuit happening but it wouldn't surprise me to see one popup in news headlines one day.
 

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My guess is that your actual Hitch Weight is exceeding your payload capacity, but that's just a guess. I'd suggest finding a scale to weigh it all on before doing anything else.

In all honesty, if you are exceeding your payload capacity then you're definitely not alone. Although it's not suggested, it's ultimately your decision that matters.
Agree with you totally, get it weighed to find out for sure.. The manufacturer stickers are for a base model with NO options at all so they are not accurate.. So long as I'm close I'll continue to tow.. You do have the tow package correct?
 

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I pull a 26'BHSS which is about 5500# dry. Its enough for the Armada. My gut feeling is that you are at the high end, and might have been better off with the F250.

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I pull a 33 foot, 7000 GVWR KZ Spree. I am very satisfied with the Armada performance. I use a Equalizer 12K hitch and have little in the way of sway issues.
 

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ch47d99's KZ Spree is an Ultra-Lite.... KZ makes some of the lightest weight trailers in the industry. Their 33' weighs the same as most other brands' 25' - 26' TT's weigh. I wish others would follow their example. :rolleyes:
 

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I towed a 8.5'x24' v-nose car trailer that was 9.5' tall and the ride was horrible even with the trailer empty and the equalizer hitch. The dry weight was only 5200lbs but the center of gravity of the trailer didn't help at all. My tongue weight was maxed out for whatever reason but this was after playing with a sherline tongue weight scale, before the adjustments it was 1400lbs. I took it back to the dealer because they sold me a 3300lbs dry weight trailer not a 5200lbs trailer...now I have a 3000lbs, 6.5' tall, 7x18 trailer and I can't even feel it back there.
 

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Dude you are not alone! I think I've jumped into this the deepest with a Jayco Eagle 314BHDS and a Hensley hitch which weighs in the neighborhood of 160# with spring bars and all assorted components.

That being said, after looking at the numbers of the GMC Yukon/Chev Burb 2500. The Nissan is real close to the 3/4 ton SUV TV, making 317 HP and 385 ft. lbs. of torque. The Yukon/Burb 2500 6.0 liter is making a little more HP (don't remember the numbers) and about the same amount of torque. Depending on whether it's 2wd or 4wd they are (the GM's) rated to tow 9300 - 9700 lbs. I don't remember the GCWR but it is, if I remember about the same. It can be looked up easily enough. They have a GVWR of 8600# with a curb wt. of 6480# so a very generous CCC. I don't know why the Nissan has such a low GVWR with its power and torque? It is actually a roomier vehicle inside as well!

Anyway, I towed that behemoth from Atlanta GA to San Diego CA with out so much as a glitch or hicup. Granted it was empty W/only 1/3 tank of water and full propane bottles & battery, it towed that TT just fine. I didn't tow in OD but I did tow it all of the way in 4th only droping to 3rd to crest some hills. 2400 miles one way and droping to 2nd only here in San Diego County coming out of the local desert into the mountains. In 2nd the Mada had plenty of power to spare running at 3000 RPM's and about 40 - 45 mph. Could have driven harder but saw no need, it'd have done 50 - 60 I'm sure.

Many people have done what I've done only to find out later that the numbers don't quite cook off just right. Speaking of the 3/4 ton SUV's. The olny difference that I can see is they are perhaps geared lower and have a heavier spring pack. If you find the need, both of these can be remedied easily enough and from what I've read on RV net. Some states allow for a recertification of your truck as far as GVWR.

Check out the trailer life/RV net forum, there is a lot of good info over there as well.
 

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I tow a 30 Ft Jayco 26P. Loaded weight is 6300 lbs and 800 on the tongue. It pulls very strong but personally I would not want to go heavier or longer. Excellent tv that has tons of torque and lots of muscle. IMO it is the best ½ ton SUV you can buy today for towing. I have towed with mine since 05pulling a PU, HTT and now a TT. I too added factory tow mirrors, which is a must IMO towing rigs this long and wide. I also tow a 21 foot boat. The last two years it has been used just for towing so the miles are staying low at 70k. Great truck I plan to hopefully keep for many miles. Enjoy that tt…very nice.
 

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I actually considered the Jayco Eagle Super Lite 314BHDS when I bought my KZ. They were neck and neck with the KZ winning due to the u-dinette and standard black tank flush, which were not in the Jayco at that time. I am now actually considering getting a Keystone Bullet 31BHPR, which is 35 feet long. The weight is comparable to my Spree, but it has the ideal floorplan. If any of you frequent www.rv.net (I know Pops does) there has been a lot of discussion lately on length versus wheelbase. Interestingly, an OEM finally weighed in on this criteria recently. Jeep rated their 109" wheelbase Cherokee to pull a 30 foot travel trailer. That really puts a kink in the older wheelbase rules of thumb found on many other sources. At that length, Jeep also just recommended sway control. Now, I am not crazy so I would always use a good sway control system (Equalizer or better), but I also don't buy into the extreme limitations espoused by many over at rv.net (it is the same group that practically thinks you need a Freightliner to pull anything over 25 feet).
 
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