WooHoo, Armada scored poorly!! =(

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PumaFiveOh

Discussion Starter · Oct 27, 2005

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Nissan cars get poor marks in reliability survey
Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:00 PM ET
DETROIT, Oct 26 (Reuters) - Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. (7201.T: Quote, Profile, Research) typically scores well in quality surveys, but four models from the Japanese auto maker are predicted by Consumer Reports magazine to be among the least reliable vehicles in the 2006 model year.

The magazine -- which forecast the reliability of new 2006 model-year vehicles by surveying owners of vehicles from 1998 to 2005 model years -- said on Wednesday that Nissan's Quest minivan, Armada sport utility vehicle, Titan pickup truck and Infiniti QX56 SUV are expected to be poor long-term performers.

However, the auto maker's new Infiniti M35 and M45 sedans are among the most reliable models, the magazine said.

"Some auto makers do have a better track record but individual models -- especially newer ones -- can have problems," said Dave Champion, senior director of Consumer Reports' auto test center.

The survey, which was conducted in the spring of 2005, included responses from the owners of over 1 million vehicles.

Toyota Motor Corp. (7203.T: Quote, Profile, Research) and Honda Motor Co Ltd (7267.T: Quote, Profile, Research) dominated the "most reliable" list with 23 of 31 vehicles, while no European auto makers made the rankings, the magazine said.

Among Detroit's traditional Big Three auto makers, Ford Motor Co.'s (F.N: Quote, Profile, Research) Mercury Mariner SUV and General Motors Corp.'s (GM.N: Quote, Profile, Research) Chevrolet Monte Carlo car were the only vehicles to earn top ratings.

Many popular vehicles from U.S. auto makers like DaimlerChrysler's (DCXGn.DE: Quote, Profile, Research) (DCX.N: Quote, Profile, Research) hot-selling Chrysler 300 sedan, the Ford Mustang and Chevrolet Corvette and Ford Explorer SUV were among vehicles receiving the worst rating.

Ford's popular F-150 pickup truck, America's best-selling vehicle, scored below average

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PumaFiveOh

Discussion Starter · #2 · Oct 27, 2005

But you have to take this report with a grain of salt. You figure it's only a survey style test...so I'm sure they got a lot of complaints about the brakes etc on the Armada, and not one European car made the reliable list.

And not one top make american brand vehicle made the reliable list either. So take it for what it's worth. Not all that much!

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NorCalJay

· #3 · Oct 27, 2005

Check this similar story from the DETROIT free press with spin headline:

"Asian vehicles rank low in survey. Reliability is issue for Nissan, Toyota"
http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/reliable27e_20051027.htm

So then check out a couple statements in the article:

"But Asian nameplates still dominated the most-reliable list. Of the 31 cars that earned a top reliability rating, 29 were Japanese and two were domestic models. No European cars earned a top ranking."

"While the quality gap between Asian and domestic carmakers is closing for new cars, Champion says, as domestic cars age, the gap widens. After five years, domestic cars tend to have twice as many problems as Asian brands, Champion says"

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PumaFiveOh

Discussion Starter · #4 · Oct 27, 2005

Other findings include:

•Lofty sticker prices don't always mean high quality. The list of least-reliable cars includes some of Europe's most expensive nameplates, such as the Audi A8, BMW 7 series and Mercedes-Benz S-class. For the second year in a row, no European automaker made it on the most-reliable car list.

•Only 3% of Toyota Prius owners reported problems with their cars. By comparison, 67% of Infiniti QX56 owners had to go back to the dealership because of problems.

Well NO SH!T!! These reports are all based on if and how many times you had to take your car back to the dealer. So if I bought a $40K dollar SUV and had a small issue or a brake recall like almost all of us went through then a huge percentage went back to the dealer which throws off that whole study.

Then take a POS $12k dollar civic and of course it's not going to have any small issues because it has no features to have issues with. And at $12K-15K I don’t think much is going to bother you if it does have a small noise or something. But in the long run the American cars break down and the imports keep going.....so screw all these surveys.

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Darth Armada

· #5 · Oct 28, 2005

The brake issue with the Armada/QX is well known and was clearly an exception - all be it a big one. But its clear that really has been the only big issue with these vehicles and now thats solved next years ratings will improve dramatically.

Look out for next years headline... "Nissan defies predictions...."

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Campfamily

· #6 · Oct 28, 2005

Nissan blew it with the 04's, and Consumer Reports is simply extrapolating the data from that to the 06's, without taking into consideration that the problems have been fixed.

Now, if they could only fix them completely on mine. But, that is not a Nissan issue, it is the dealer. Still trying to find a good one. Still trying..........

Keith

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wwjdwithca

· #7 · Oct 28, 2005

PumaFiveOh said:
Other findings include:

•Lofty sticker prices don't always mean high quality. The list of least-reliable cars includes some of Europe's most expensive nameplates, such as the Audi A8, BMW 7 series and Mercedes-Benz S-class. For the second year in a row, no European automaker made it on the most-reliable car list.

•Only 3% of Toyota Prius owners reported problems with their cars. By comparison, 67% of Infiniti QX56 owners had to go back to the dealership because of problems.

Well NO SH!T!! These reports are all based on if and how many times you had to take your car back to the dealer. So if I bought a $40K dollar SUV and had a small issue or a brake recall like almost all of us went through then a huge percentage went back to the dealer which throws off that whole study.

Then take a POS $12k dollar civic and of course it's not going to have any small issues because it has no features to have issues with. And at $12K-15K I don’t think much is going to bother you if it does have a small noise or something. But in the long run the American cars break down and the imports keep going.....so screw all these surveys.

Yes, this is a real problem with these ratings. I was looking CrV today cause one of my coworkers just bought one. It's a decent little vehicle, but man is it plain. Plain, plain, plain! Check this piece of crap out! It has an emergency brake handle in the middle of the dash, between the driver and passenger seat! I mean, you know a car has got NOTHING when they need to make the emergency brake handle the center-piece of the dash! So what a SHOCK when there's no complaints about this NOTHING vehicle. The CrV makes the Suzuki Samurai an interesting 4x4. :machinegu

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92TripleBlack

· #8 · Oct 28, 2005

Holy dumb company Batman.
1. They ranked the ridgeline as a top pickup for 2006 reliability. How? They say they use data from previous years. What data? Its a new model.

Then they put the Tundra there for Pickup. How they could do that when they had the same brake problems the TItan had but for over 4 years, among other problems, I can't understand. I think Honda and others just pay them advertising money and they rate them more favorably.

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wwjdwithca

· #9 · Oct 28, 2005

92TripleBlack said:
Holy dumb company Batman.
1. They ranked the ridgeline as a top pickup for 2006 reliability. How? They say they use data from previous years. What data? Its a new model.

Then they put the Tundra there for Pickup. How they could do that when they had the same brake problems the TItan had but for over 4 years, among other problems, I can't understand. I think Honda and others just pay them advertising money and they rate them more favorably.

Could be, or that "When all else fails, pick Honda or Toyota" syndrome.

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